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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
neptuneblue
 
  1  
Wed 17 Mar, 2021 07:22 am
@oralloy,
Putin has never been or ever will be, a friend or an ally of America. For you to embrace such an alliance is contrary to our country's interests.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Wed 17 Mar, 2021 07:29 am
@neptuneblue,
No. It is contrary to the interests of progressives and their illegitimate president.
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Rebelofnj
 
  2  
Wed 17 Mar, 2021 07:47 am
@neptuneblue,
Even former Trump Administration officials (except Trump himself) see Russia and Putin as a threat to America.

After the FBI, Department of Homeland Security and Director of National Intelligence and National Security Agency have all declared Russia responsible for the recent cyberattacks against the United States, we should clearly avoid any kind of partnership with Russia

So far, it seems that both the Trump Administration (except Trump) and the Biden Administration (with Biden's support) have and will action against Putin's government.

I would trust their word over some random user in a bunker because they would have access to detailed information about how bad the cyberattacks really are and don't have to rely on conspiracy sites and Trump's twitter account.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/01/05/u-s-formally-links-russia-massive-cyberattack-hack-ongoing/6552803002/
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/us-prepares-to-take-action-against-russia-after-major-cyber-attack.html

neptuneblue
 
  1  
Wed 17 Mar, 2021 07:53 am
New US intel report shows Russia, Trump and GOP acolytes have same goals

Analysis by Stephen Collinson, CNN
Updated 7:19 AM ET, Wed March 17, 2021

The report, released by Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines, finds that Moscow sought to inject misleading information about Biden into the campaign through officials and others close to Trump.

The real bombshell it contains is not the confidence of the spy agencies that Russia hoped to subvert American democracy. It is that US intelligence experts effectively confirmed that for the second election in a row, Trump acolytes repeatedly used, knowingly or otherwise, misinformation produced by the spies of one of America's most sworn foreign adversaries to try to win a US election.

And given the advantage of hindsight, the latest intelligence assessment is not just an isolated example of incriminating evidence against Russia and its efforts to create chaos and discord within the United States.

For all of the stale US debate about whether Trump and his aides "colluded" with Russia, there are now multiple reports, intelligence assessments and other known details to expose a damning reality: Moscow with its election meddling, Trump acolytes pushing false claims of voter fraud and his GOP supporters in the states now passing voter suppression laws share the same goal -- the denigration of the US democratic system.

The readiness of the former President's men to use Russian misinformation in 2020 -- while denying collusion in 2016 -- was but one prong of the assault on the integrity of US elections. After all, it came as Trump was challenging democratic customs that form the bedrock of American freedoms.

He spent months seeking to discredit the fairness of the vote -- the sacred core of US democracy -- to hedge against his eventual loss. He later denied his fair-and-square defeat, incited the deadly US Capitol insurrection -- which sought to disrupt Biden's transition to power -- and is using his sway over his party to force future Republican candidates to sign up to his big lie of widespread voter fraud.

Thus, the candidate who Moscow helped to win the 2016 election had four years later become the primary destructive force aimed at US democracy.
It ought to be concerning that the sentiments of many Republicans who falsely decry the fairness of the current US electoral system appear to coincide with those of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Ultimately, the most alarming implication of the release of Tuesday's report is that it may not be necessary for Russia to interfere in the 2024 presidential election in the same way as in 2016 and 2020.

From Trump's lies about a stolen second term to claims by some Republican governors that making it harder to vote makes an election more democratic, some Americans are already doing far more themselves to damage the US system than Moscow can.

Trump's China claims discredited

US intelligence report says Russia used Trump allies to influence 2020 election with goal of 'denigrating' Biden

The report finds that Iran also tried to interfere in the election but that no foreign power -- not even Russia -- sought to change vote totals or attack electoral infrastructure. US intelligence agencies also assessed that China considered trying to influence the result but did not do so, largely undercutting false claims to the contrary by Trump, which his administration knew to be untrue but still made in the days before Biden's victory.

While the attempts to sway the opinions of American voters are serious -- and will likely draw US sanctions, according to White House officials -- they ultimately did not succeed. Biden prevailed in the election and Moscow did not go as far as it had to damage the previous Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, four years earlier with its hacking scheme.

But the report comes with troubling new assessments of how Moscow was yet again able to use those around Trump -- often in plain sight -- in an effort to discredit an American election and to try to influence the result.

It finds, for instance, that Putin had "purview" over the activities of Andrii Derkach, a Ukrainian legislator who the US says is an active Russian agent. Derkach collaborated with Trump's attorney Rudy Giuliani to spread disinformation during Trump's first impeachment. That drama was caused by the ex-President's own effort to coax Kiev into probing Biden over false allegations perpetrated by people close to Moscow.

The DNI report didn't mention Giuliani by name.

But it said: "A key element of Moscow's strategy this election cycle was its use of people linked to Russian intelligence to launder influence narratives -- including misleading or unsubstantiated allegations against President Biden -- through US media organizations, US officials and prominent US individuals, some of whom were close to former President Trump and his administration."

Democratic Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia, the Senate Intelligence Committee chairman, said Tuesday that the report did not leave a lot to the imagination.

"It doesn't take a lot of sophisticated analysis to figure out who some of those individuals -- hopefully again unknowingly -- (are who were) manipulated by the Russians," Warner said on Capitol Hill.

In some ways, the information released parallels the finding of special counsel Robert Mueller's report, which showed that those around Trump used information conjured up by the Russians in 2016 -- including emails stolen from Democratic servers that damaged Clinton.

Mueller wrote that although he could not prove Trump aides "conspired or coordinated" with Russia, the campaign "expected that it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts."
There is another pattern here. Either gullible aides around Trump were oblivious to being manipulated by foreign operatives -- or they were not being willing to probe where the misinformation came from. And those alternatives put the best possible spin on their behavior.

Russian misinformation

The new report also found that Russia's primary effort in 2020 formed around a narrative that Biden and his family had corrupt ties to Ukraine. There has been no evidence of criminal activity by the current President nor by his son Hunter, who worked on the board of a Ukrainian energy company.

But, incredibly, this Russia misinformation ended up being the centerpiece of Trump's campaign against Biden in the closing days of the election. The report does not say so, but this material was used by Trump personally in many campaign appearances -- an extraordinary marker of success for an intelligence operation hatched by a foreign power.

The report also makes clear that Derkach and another Russian influence agent, Konstantin Kilimnik, used willing conservative media networks in the United States to launder their deceptions and false information about Biden.

Putin, a former KGB agent who regarded the end of the Soviet Union as one of history's worst disasters, has long sought to damage the West by exploiting its own political and societal divides. The January 2017 US intelligence assessment into meddling in the prior election found, for example, that the Russians wanted to "undermine the US-led international liberal order." And Mueller said Putin was motivated by a desire to "provoke and amplify political discord in the United States."

The nature of such disinformation campaigns -- which unfold in the smoke and mirrors world where espionage, fake news and misinformation meet -- is that they continue to deliver for months and years afterward for a very modest investment.

For example, Trump's inevitable protests that he is yet again being targeted by a new "Russia hoax" will further poison the reputation of US intelligence agencies -- the sworn rivals of Russia's spy services -- among the ex-President's supporters.

Trump's propaganda may also serve to further foment distrust among his supporters with the US political system itself -- a feeling being exploited by GOP state lawmakers all over the United States to justify voter suppression laws supposedly designed to restore "integrity" to US elections.

From Georgia to Arizona and Texas to Iowa, Trump's allies are attempting to shorten early voting hours, limit Sunday polling -- used disproportionately by Black voters -- and roll back mail-in voting, which made it easier for more Americans to vote in 2020 in a record popular-vote turnout.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/17/politics/trump-russia-elections/index.html
snood
 
  1  
Wed 17 Mar, 2021 08:07 am
I’m sorry - To whom is the ugly details of the unholy alliance between Tramp and Putin useful news?
And, what action does anyone think will result from this “new” knowledge, besides whatever sanction Biden was already going to enact?
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 17 Mar, 2021 08:16 am
@Rebelofnj,
Rebelofnj wrote:
I would trust their word over some random user in a bunker

Can you demonstrate that "what they say" conflicts with "what I say"?

You can't produce any sort of intelligent argument at all can you?


Rebelofnj wrote:
because they would have access to detailed information about how bad the cyberattacks really are

If Mr. Putin is effective at undermining the Biden Administration, that is good for the American people.


Rebelofnj wrote:
and don't have to rely on conspiracy sites and Trump's twitter account.

You are a liar for implying that I follow either source.

Not that anyone expects honor or integrity from you.
engineer
 
  4  
Wed 17 Mar, 2021 08:24 am
@neptuneblue,
It is amazing (in a sad way) that the anti-Communist hawks back in the day are all gaga for Putin now that he has found more effective ways of subverting our government and society.
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MontereyJack
 
  1  
Wed 17 Mar, 2021 08:29 am
@oralloy,
have to tell you sincde you bring the subject up, no one explects any honor or integrity frolm you either.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 17 Mar, 2021 08:33 am
@MontereyJack,
Don't be silly. I have a history of both honor and integrity.
revelette3
 
  1  
Wed 17 Mar, 2021 08:41 am
Biden endorses modifying filibuster rule, as McConnell warns of ‘scorched earth Senate’ if it’s changed.

Quote:
“I don’t think that you have to eliminate the filibuster; you have to do it, what it used to be when I first got to the Senate back in the old days,” the president said. “You had to stand up and command the floor, and you had to keep talking.” The comments were a significant departure for Mr. Biden, a 36-year veteran of the Senate who has been frequently described by aides as reluctant to alter Senate procedure.

“It’s getting to the point where, you know, democracy is having a hard time functioning,” he added.
oralloy
 
  1  
Wed 17 Mar, 2021 08:48 am
@revelette3,
Democracy is working just fine. He's just not getting his way.

That said, I stand by my earlier comment that I'm fine with modifying to a talking filibuster. It'll give Republican senators a great opportunity to make a name for themselves blocking the Democrats.
snood
 
  1  
Wed 17 Mar, 2021 09:02 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Democracy is working just fine.


Oh, so you must believe the Democratic election of 2020 worked just fine?
snood
 
  1  
Wed 17 Mar, 2021 09:12 am
Can someone tell me why the latest about Putin and Trump’s connection is such big news?

We already knew it was a corrupt relationship that influenced the election. Why is learning of the dirty details so sensational?

Do you think this is going to cause Biden to take stronger measures against Putin?

Or any practical effect at all?
Ragman
 
  2  
Wed 17 Mar, 2021 09:51 am
@snood,
Purely shock value to some. Doubtful that Biden would be any more cautious of Putin. I think his intelligence resources tell him to not to trust Putin. Not sure there’ll be any large amount of cooperation. Would love to see Trump and/or his administration being prosecuted over the “hacking deals” but I won’t hold my breath.
izzythepush
 
  0  
Wed 17 Mar, 2021 10:08 am
@Ragman,
Notice the deafening silence from the Trumpie’s over China’s non involvement. They decided neither candidate gave them enough of an advantage to muddy their hands, (in this issue alone.)
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MontereyJack
 
  0  
Wed 17 Mar, 2021 11:32 am
@oralloy,
Not so.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 17 Mar, 2021 03:32 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Don't be silly. I have a history of both honor and integrity.

Not so.

You're lying. You cannot provide any examples of dishonorable behavior on my part.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Wed 17 Mar, 2021 03:34 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
Oh, so you must believe the Democratic election of 2020 worked just fine?

Well there are claims that the Democrats cheated again.

Hard to know if the claims are true.
snood
 
  0  
Wed 17 Mar, 2021 03:37 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

snood wrote:
Oh, so you must believe the Democratic election of 2020 worked just fine?

Well there are claims that the Democrats cheated again.

Hard to know if the claims are true.


But you know that any claims of republicans cheating are untrue?
oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 17 Mar, 2021 03:49 pm
@snood,
The only claims of Republican cheating that I am aware of are isolated small-scale events.

I've always assumed that the claims were true, but I guess you never know when the Democrats are framing another innocent person.
 

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