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Quote:@Frank Apisa,
What the hell happens to Bill Maher, Dennis Miller, John Cleese that they feel their lives have been diminished in any way that they moan on and on about people who for the most part are fairly voiceless, largely victimized, "others" who have already been 'canceled' by life and society themselves.
They have gone from gadflies to bullies.
This directed frank, yourself and snood...
First, it's likely that I've missed commentary from Cleese re Brit media. And I'm certainly not familiar with the BBC in it's modern shape. The last good criticisms (and validations) I've read on the BBC has come from Dennis Potter speaking or writing 15+ years ago. But let's differentiate Maher, Miller and Cleese. They are quite different creatures.
Maher, of course, had his TV show cancelled in 2002 after comments critical of US policy made following 9/11. That network decision came about following serious blowback from the Bush administration and it's allies and the loss of advertisers. I agreed with none of that and deemed his comments astute. After some years, he started up his current show which has been very successful. I don't watch it because I find the fellow personally disagreeable. But he's built a career on pointing at "political correctness" (more on that shortly).
Dennis Miller is one of the very few individuals with a lot of right wing political notions/values who has achieved success as a humorist/comic. That said, he's not going to be invited over to Ginni Thomas' house for dinner or to give the keynote speech at CPAC because he is definitely not that conservative. Still, his push against political correctness is marked by right wing rhetoric on the subject, much of which is flawed and instrumental to electoral goals.
If I were to make a category in which to include those I see as similar to Cleese it would list Jerry Seinfeld, Chris Rock, George Carlin, Mel Brooks, Ricky Gervais, Dave Chapelle, Bill Burr, Stephen Frye, etc. Each of these humorists (and others) have spoken out against what they (and I) see as the extremisms that have manifested in policing speech that some do or might find offensive.
This isn't an easy problem I admit. Humor and satire will commonly offend. One of the great humorists of American letters, S. J. Perlman said "The office of humor is to offend". Humor and satire constantly push boundaries. They voice what "ought not to be voiced" or what can cause discomfort. They challenge the categories of sacred and profane. And all of this, I think, is absolutely essential to the opening of minds, of coaxing us to think in new ways.
There seems to me a clear similarity here with the growth of feminist theory and sentiment. Without doubt, some corners of the feminist movement went to extremes that end up being oppressive in their rigidity. People with a tendency towards absolutism find their way into all such movements. That they are part of a positive movement towards change doesn't make them right. That such people are part of such movements does not make the movement wrong.
When I wrote above that my criticisms of "political correctness" are qualified, that's what I meant.