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What the Supreme Court's football coach ruling means for schools and prayer

(the part I found most important)

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The conservative court’s ruling also signals a movement toward less restrictions between church and state overall, according to Jeffrey Toobin, the chief legal analyst for CNN.

“This is a case where they are moving the law, incrementally, in a very clear direction to allow more state involvement in religion,” Toobin said on Monday. “It can be with regard to prayers in schools, it can be in regard to money going into religious organizations or to exempt religious organizations from government mandates.”

In the case of Kennedy v. Bremerton School District, the coach grappled with the school district over how pronounced his prayers were in influencing students.

It might be soon students going to public schools will have no choice but to listen to the teacher's version of their religious views and perhaps be graded on it. In effect turning classrooms into bible classes which will be influencing students beliefs. All ready, our tax dollars will be going to private religious schools. Can you imagine if suddenly a non-Christian prayer is said on the 50-yard line by a coach? I imagine this court will find some kind of wording to get around respecting the establishment of a religion. If they don't, there will be a huge outcry from the parents and the whole football community field.

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@revelette1,

More likely it won't be bible class but secular humanism class on religion.

But this is nothing new. Secular humanism has stolen away alot of would-be Christians, cuz their parents are at a loss to how to teach them Christian values, and the schools and jobs frequently try to dominate their lives with distractions.

Church and state should stay separate, aside from the state allowing wearing necklaces, personal possessions (holy books, rosaries, special hats or shoes), moments of silence, and days off. Loud prayers like the Muslims do are disruptive (I fully believe the five times a day thing has nothing to do with religion, and is part of Sharia cultural takeover). But moment of silence is fine. Hell, non-believers are cool to play Gameboy or whatever (I'm old) so long as there is no sound.

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Any peep from georgeob since the Jan 6 hearings began? I'll wager not. I'll further wager is he is not watching them.

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@blatham,

Well, it may be because it takes a little time for him to concoct a convincing-sounding denial of everything our lying eyes and ears are telling us.

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Alan Feuer wrote:

Ketchup smeared on the wall and a broken plate: the results, according to Cassidy Hutchinson, of Trump’s reaction to his attorney general’s public refutation of his claims of fraud in the election. Trump had thrown his lunch against the wall.

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@snood,

If he is attending to them, and if he's attending with diligence, most of his pro-Trump statements made here will obviously not hold up. But my expectation is he's not watching, rather merely reading or listening to commentary he finds agreeable.

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@hightor,

It will be interesting to watch FOX slowly figure their strategy for memory-holing this guy and shifting their glorification memes over to DeSantis or Tucker Carlson or whatever new sociopath looks to be on the rise.

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@blatham,

Have you read this?

Can Ron DeSantis Displace Donald Trump as the G.O.P.’s Combatant-in-Chief?

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@hightor,

Had not. But looks like the site is temporarily down. I'll get to it and write you back later.

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@blatham,

I think “His statements will not hold up” gives him undue credit for making good faith, logically consistent arguments. In other words, I don’t think his statements being manifestly proven baseless is necessarily an indication that he won’t serve them right up again.

Anyway, doesn’t matter either way if he shows up spouting his effete jibber jabber or not.

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@Mame,

Mame wrote:

Yes, we do. And we don't want to become the 51st state.

How about the 51st though the 61st states...which is what some people have in mind?

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@Frank Apisa,

No.

The US doesn't want Canada either.

Though I think Alaska should be fully connected to the US so there is no border crossing. That's a hassle.

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@bulmabriefs144,

BS. I have Canadian friends who say unite US/CA and then split it east and west.

The east would be Canada and the west, the US.

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I know of more people with favorable views about Canada than I do those with unfavorable opinions.

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Look at you guys go.

Unity and cohesion and collaboration seem like completely foreign terminology.

What happened up there?

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@hightor,

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Have you read this?

Can Ron DeSantis Displace Donald Trump as the G.O.P.’s Combatant-in-Chief?

Thank you for the link. This account matches my understanding of the fellow, what he's up to and the danger he represents within a party without principle.

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Stuart Stevens, an adviser to Mitt Romney’s Presidential campaign in 2012, told me that Republican leaders have made a calculated choice in recent decades. As their reliable cadre of white voters shrank, they realized that they could either try to attract more minorities or try to motivate white citizens who rarely voted by tapping their racial insecurities. When Romney ran, he rejected the latter strategy, Stevens told me. Then came Trump, who embraced it and won. “The G.O.P. has become a white-grievance party,” Stevens said.

DeSantis, he believes, is following the Trump playbook. “To me, Ron DeSantis is a fairly run-of-the-mill politician who will do anything to get elected,” he said. “The problem is what the Party has become. It’s a race to the bottom.”

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@snood,

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I don’t think his statements being manifestly proven baseless is necessarily an indication that he won’t serve them right up again.

Well, as I said, I doubt he is attending to the hearings which, if my guess is right, relieves him of the burden that comes with recognizing he had important things very wrong.

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The meeting took place almost simultaneously with the G7 summit at Schloss Elmau in Bavaria. Both had met there at the summit in 2015. In the end, an iconic photo was taken: Obama sat casually on the bench, Merkel stood in front of him with her arms outstretched.

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@snood,

snood wrote:

I know of more people with favorable views about Canada than I do those with unfavorable opinions.

Same with me, Snood.

Ancillary to that thought is: Any American who is not thoroughly embarrassed by what we are doing to ourselves today...who does not have lots of negative views about what is happening in our own country...is not much of an American.

Yeah, we've had many disgusting moments in our history, but the **** happening as a direct result of the Trump "GOP coming out" is very high up on the list.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

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I don’t think his statements being manifestly proven baseless is necessarily an indication that he won’t serve them right up again.

Well, as I said, I doubt he is attending to the hearings which, if my guess is right, relieves him of the burden that comes with recognizing he had important things very wrong.

That would be a relief, and fortunate. If he was someone who allowed himself to be burdened by little things like being wrong.

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