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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2022 06:28 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
I don't expect the core crew here to pay any attention.
Obviously you don't pay any attention to the (international) news: Neo-Nazis and QAnon have joined various groups of anti-vax and anti-government groups in many countries, Canada is just the latest.
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hightor
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2022 06:56 am
some clown wrote:
We know they're part of the criminal corporate cabal, and it's crucial that their role is exposed.

Just let these words sink in for a moment.

No, this troglodyte isn't talking about the Sicilian Mafia or the Cartel de Medellín – he's talking about mainstream media outlets! He thinks they are purposely "covering up" stories. Which stories? The ones we read about in mainstream media outlets! Sinister.


bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2022 07:34 am
@hightor,
Doancha know? Circulation goes up when newspapers don't print the news. They're only in it for the yuks and chuckles.

The clowns are not noted for logic or even the barest nubbin of common sense.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2022 11:12 am
@hightor,
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@Builder,
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Are you folks unaware of the situation in Ottawa?

Golly. One might think this fellow's obtuseness could no longer surprise but...
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2022 12:22 pm
As I think I've noted earlier, what we're seeing with the truck convoy protests has precedents in Canada. see here from 3 years ago
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A convoy of at least 100 trucks is driving from Alberta to Parliament Hill to draw attention to what it says is Ottawa’s lack of support for the energy sector.

The "United We Roll" convoy left Red Deer, Alta. on Thursday and is expected to arrive in Ottawa next Tuesday for a three-day rally. The group gave an open invitation to yellow vest protesters to join, and is hoping to raise $100,000 to fuel their efforts.

Lead organizer Glen Carritt told CTV News Channel that the federal government needs to listen to supporters of the energy sector.

The convoy’s first stop was Regina. Carritt estimated there were between 100 and 150 trucks for the first leg of the journey but expects at least 80 trucks to eventually make it all the way to Ottawa.

Some trucks carried signs which read, “Alberta has had enough,” “Canadian oil before Saudi oil,” and “Axe the carbon oil tax.”


And as I've also noted earlier, many of the organizers of the current truck convoy were organizers for the earlier one who have connections with American right wing organizations (details in the wikipedia page on Freedom Convoy 2022). Let's add some more relevant points:

- Alberta holds the vast majority of oil reserves and is by far the greatest levels of oil extraction.

- Alberta oil producers also have significant corporate connections with American oil interests (eg Billionaire Koch brothers are big oil players in Alberta
The ultra-right U.S. Koch brothers, little-known to Canadians, are major players in Alberta's oil patch, where they control at least 1.1 million acres.


- As we know from reporting and from statements by the Ottawa police chief, the majority of funding for this convoy is originating in the US.

- Alberta has been for some years the Canadian province most likely to elect right wing governments of the "libertarian" sort. With few exceptions, that's who has held power there. If you were to troll the Canadian population looking for Trump fans, Alberta is where your nets would get the richest haul.

- For those following American right wing media and agitprop, you'll have noticed that they have been running hot and heavy with favorable coverage of the convoy in Canada.

- Further, it is not at all difficult to see how the convoy is using American "libertarian" tropes in their stunt - profligate use of flags and, through signage and speech, the attempt to suggest that "freedom" is their domain only. Running concurrent with all this is a promoted notion that these protesters represent the real Canadian citizen consensus.

- Last, let's note the similarities between what we're seeing now and what we saw during the Tea Party.

So let's consider that what might be going on here has less to do with Canada than with the US. Right wing voices down south are pumping up duplicating the Canadian truck protest in America. If that happens, the media will of course cover it just as they've done with the Canadian example AND with the Tea Party. There's conflict and great visuals, so exactly what news media commonly cannot resist.

Early in the Tea Party phenomenon, I heard Dick Armey, then head of the Koch's main propaganda operation, speaking about the Tea Party and he pushed the word "grassroots" into his sentences so often that it was comical. Right wing media is doing exactly that again. But this time, because they are pointing to Canada as role model and exemplar, that makes it even easier to suggest that American oil interests (and the political groups and arrangements which support it) are not in play. It's all just about citizens everywhere increasingly angry at their oppressive governments.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2022 02:49 pm
@blatham,
Gosh ! Now I understand it all. What has been going on across Canada and now in Ontario has nothing at all to do with growing resentment among Canadian citizens for the authoritarian policies of their "liberal" government . Rather it is yet another manifestation of the work of a dark right wing conspiracy in the United States, one that, no doubt, is traceable to the evil actions of our former President, Donald Trump.

Very likely the, also ongoing, similar protests in the Netherlands are traceable to the same source.

At some point this must also become a bit tiresome even to our friend, Blatham.
snood
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2022 03:51 pm
When Mitch the grim reaper McConnell comes out and says “what happened was a violent insurrection to attempt to prevent the peaceful transfer of power”, it inclines me to think that maybe, maybe they’ve gotten wind of some **** about to befall the insurrectionists.

Fingers crossed.
Builder
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2022 04:22 pm
@georgeob1,
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Very likely the, also ongoing, similar protests in the Netherlands are traceable to the same source.


I'm wondering if the fascists are testing the waters in what they have deemed to be the "soft" nations first.

There's literally thousands of Aussies on the way to Canberra, to bolster the numbers already there.

The deaths in aged care facilities have lent the lie to the old "safe and effective" line they've been pushing for ages now. The most penned up and "protected" in society are leading the way in deaths and "cases", so anyone with more than a few firing synapses can see the effectiveness isn't part of the equation, unless a cull is in progress.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2022 05:16 pm
@georgeob1,
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What has been going on across Canada and now in Ontario has nothing at all to do with growing resentment among Canadian citizens for the authoritarian policies of their "liberal" government .

Apparently, you've heard something like this and imagine any thoughtful person will grant it credence as being true or even compelling.

Quote:
Rather it is yet another manifestation of the work of a dark right wing conspiracy in the United States, one that, no doubt, is traceable to the evil actions of our former President, Donald Trump.

Very poor reading. I did not say "is". I forwarded an idea as a possibility. And no, I did not suggest anything about Trump in what I wrote.

Quote:
ongoing, similar protests in the Netherlands are traceable to the same source.

We are all aware of protests in Britain, European and other nations regarding vaccines and mandates. We're aware of extremist right wing parties in those places and the role they are playing in these protests. We're also aware of interconnections via social media and other means between activist groups of various sorts. We're also aware of what Bannon and his crowd is up to internationally. We're also aware of Russian (and likely Chinese) attempts to use such groups and social media to foster discord in western countries by furthering misinformation/disinformation. I could have included such information in what I wrote - I considered it, but decided to let the subject I was thinking about stand on its own.
blatham
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2022 05:28 pm
@snood,
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Top U.S. Senate Republican Mitch McConnell on Tuesday criticized his party's censure of two prominent Republican critics of Donald Trump, joining an intra-party battle that could upend his efforts to project an image of party moderation in this year's midterm elections.

...McConnell rejected that description, saying, "We saw what happened. It was a violent insurrection for the purpose of trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power after a legitimately certified election from one administration to the next. That's what it was."
LINK

That is interesting. McConnell dearly wants to gain the majority in the Senate again and in the House. For him to break with the Trumpian wing (and FOX et al) then he must be concerned about how his party's bowing to Trump's big lie is playing out among voters.

No kudos for him on integrity though. That's absent in this fellow.

georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2022 05:37 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

You know, George, I think the main reason I like you (and notice I didn't use quotation marks around "like") is that, having known you for so many years and as a close reader of your posts I know (not in quotations) that you have mixed feelings about being a prick.



LOL . Good one ! I have mixed feelings about most things. However I make it a point not to confuse disagreement with hostility or anger.

Old Navy saying #457 "When you're headed for a cliff, the guy who tells you you're ******* up, isn't necessarily your enemy, and the guy who keeps his mouth shut certainly isn't your friend."
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2022 05:47 pm
@blatham,
I'm not sure that Integrity is the issue here. McConnell's role as Leader of the Republican Caucus in the Senate gives him a real interest and obligation in preserving its unity. I think it's also clear that he was a strong supporter of Trump's policies, but had serious reservations about his penchants for making personal issues about mere disagreement and attempting to ridicule any who opposed him. I felt that way two, but found it easy to choose between the available alternatives.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2022 05:50 pm
@blatham,
Do you believe Trudeau's party will remain in power in the next election in Canada?
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2022 06:41 pm
@blatham,
I believe an underlying issue in the resentment we're seeing arising worldwide for governments that imposed still continuing restrictions on their people in the name of combatting COVID is serious frustration with the continuation of severe restrictions on "social distancing" even after (1) the arrival of vaccines significantly reduced the risk of an out-of-control epidemic; (2) experience with the virus revealed low risk among the very young and healthy; (3 significant evidence emerged regarding the marginal effectiveness of masks; (4) new, more contagious, but far less virulent variants(such as Omicron and its cousin) vastly reduced the continuing risk , (an obvious and predictable result of Natural Selection in virus variants) and (5) Accumulating evidence of the adverse side effects of these measures on the education of young children and the effects on our economic lives --- all became increasingly evident to populations grown very weary with it all.

The challenges for political leaders everywhere in this matter tended to quickly reveal those favoring excess authoritarianism. The U.S. may be a fairly good laboratory, in that with 50 states, we had multiple models for comparison. Certainly the evidence of the results obtained in Florida and Texas, compared to the very restrictive rules imposed in Michigan, California, New Jersey and other states, clearly revealed the net benefits of relaxing the restrictions after the Delta wave had passed. (Same in Europe for Sweden & Denmark, compared to their neighbors.)

Here is also evident that Joe Biden's inept in his very authoritarian (and unconstitutional) demands for vaccination lacked both wisdom and effectiveness. His (empty as it turned out ) claims to be only following "the Science" in his bureaucratic demands alienated a large fraction of our population.

My company is a significant government contractor and we were made subject to Biden's rule requiring we enforce vaccine requirements or lose access to government contracts, initially by early November. I insisted that we communicate to our employees that we believed getting the vaccine was clearly the best choice for almost everyone; but that we would honor any doctor's recommendation for exemption, and any written request for exemption as a matter of conscience (having no power under our Constitution to pass judgments on such issues. Further we implied no threat to fire anyone who didn't comply.

Our workforce was about 50% vaccinated at the start and by the time the courts struck down Biden's petulant requirement we had 87% voluntary compliance. That's a lot better than our stupid, tough talking President achieved with his empty threats.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2022 07:33 pm
@georgeob1,
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Do you believe Trudeau's party will remain in power in the next election in Canada?

I have no good sense of this. The longer any party's tenure lasts, the more the chances of a "throw the bums out" sentiment can grow, so that's one factor. But if it looks like such a sentiment is personalized (centered on Trudeau) then he might retire.

The conservatives are presently without a leader so no way yet to judge how that person might play in the nation.

georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2022 09:11 pm
@blatham,
I think you're probably right about the current lack of Leadership in the Conservative Party.

Trudeau would be a little hard for me to accept as a leader. Too self-absorbed superficial and given to righteous indignation, and a bit authoritarian to boot..
Builder
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2022 02:37 am
@georgeob1,
Pinched this from another forum. I did see that Schwab cancelled his annual WEF shindig, stating concerns for safety as the reason.

Interesting times. Much-vaunted New Zealand PM Ardern has a history with WEF, and so does Australian health minister Hunt. Both are currently on the back foot, playing pass the parcel, when it comes to mandates.


"It is not Trudeau's choice to step down or to attempt to stay. It is the decision of the World Economic Forum (WEF). This is a critical decision which will affect the entire world. This is not a battle for just Canada, it is a battle for the World. This is the first domino of corruption and if it falls, the entire plan of the WEF fails because all the corrupt dominos will fall if they are forced out of power. Leaving them in power really is simply a short respite for the People.
Frankly, the WEF cannot afford for Trudeau to step down. If he falls, Biden falls, Australia falls, New Zealand falls and all of Europe falls. Then the rest of the world joins in.
The sane world is crazy not to make Ottawa the hill they will die on and not give in. It is an opportunity unexpected. Probably an opportunity that will not come again.
The Truckers are truly the People's Army. Where else could you quickly assemble such a strong, younger Army to possibly confront the Globalist Tyranny Army? It is an Army everyone else can join and get behind. Half the Globalist Tyranny Army will desert them and join the Truckers if they appear to succeed in Ottawa.
Truckers can win this, but it will take support from everyone. There is a window of opportunity that will not stay open forever. Time is not on our side.
The WEF is not going to go without a fight or without having great fear that they will be smashed by this world-wide movement. Even then the WEF members will be sorely afraid of ending up like Mussolini hanging in the Milan Square and will fight to avoid that.
I think people greatly underestimate the overall importance of Ottawa and underestimate the difficulty of overcoming Trudeau. He and the WEF simply cannot afford to lose. I fear also that the People of the world cannot afford to lose in Ottawa. It will likely be the People's last battle if they lose Ottawa.
I do not agree that this is only about a non violent confrontation. I don't think the WEF will fold because of a lengthy non violent protest of a few thousand truckers. They have been working on this tyranny plan for 100 years. I think they will fold only if they are clearly weaker in strength than the People's Army. Whether it is non violent or violent confrontation, for either way to succeed requires great power standing behind the Truckers with obvious reserve waiting behind them. This means the WEF must act now before the People's Army grows too large with strong reserves. I expect action by the WEF soon to squash this uprising. This is not about Trudeau, this is the WEF plan in place around the world. Everyone must be ready to heavily support the Truckers and step into the battle if they are attacked."
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hightor
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2022 07:16 am
America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities

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The conflict between Neil Young and Joe Rogan over the anti-vaccine propaganda Rogan spreads through his podcast triggered a heated debate over the boundaries of free speech on platforms like Spotify and whether one entertainer — Young — had the right to tell Spotify to drop another — Rogan — or he’d leave himself. But this clash was about something more than free speech.

As a journalist who relies on freedom of speech, I would never advocate tossing Rogan off Spotify. But as a citizen, I sure appreciated Young calling him out over the deeper issue: How is it that we have morphed into a country where people claim endless “rights” while fewer and fewer believe they have any “responsibilities.”

That was really Young’s message for Rogan and Spotify: Sure, you have the right to spread anti-vaccine misinformation, but where’s your sense of responsibility to your fellow citizens, and especially to the nurses and doctors who have to deal with the fallout for your words?

This pervasive claim that “I have my rights” but “I don’t have responsibilities” is unraveling our country today.

“We are losing what could be called our societal immunity,” argued Dov Seidman, founder of the How Institute for Society. “Societal immunity is the capacity for people to come together, do hard things and look out for one another in the face of existential threats, like a pandemic, or serious challenges to the cornerstones of their political and economic systems, like the legitimacy of elections or peaceful transfer of power.”

But societal immunity “is a function of trust,” added Seidman. (Disclosure: Seidman is a donor to my wife’s museum, Planet Word.) “When trust in institutions, leaders and each other is high, people — in a crisis — are more willing to sublimate their cherished rights and demonstrate their sense of shared responsibilities toward others, even others they disagree with on important issues and even if it means making sacrifices.”

When our trust in each other erodes, though, as is happening in America today, fewer people think they have responsibilities to the other — only rights that protect them from being told by the other what to do.

When Rogan exercised his right to spread misinformation about vaccines, and when Spotify stood behind its biggest star, they were doing nothing illegal.

They were just doing something shameful.

Because the Rogan podcast episode that set off the controversy, an interview with Dr. Robert Malone, who has gained fame with discredited claims, completely ignored the four most important statistical facts about Covid-19 today that highlight our responsibilities — to our fellow citizens and, even more so, to the nurses and doctors risking their lives to take care of us in a pandemic.

The first three statistics are from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s latest surveys. First, unvaccinated adults 18 years and older are 16 times more likely to be hospitalized for Covid than fully vaccinated adults. Second: Adults 65 and older who are not vaccinated are around 50 times more likely to be hospitalized for Covid than those who have received a full vaccine course and a booster. Third: Unvaccinated people are 20 times more likely to die of Covid than people who are vaccinated and boosted.

The fourth statistic is from a survey from the staffing firm Cross Country Healthcare and Florida Atlantic University’s College of Nursing, released in December. It found that the emotional toll and other work conditions brought on by the pandemic contributed to some two-thirds of nurses giving thought to leaving the profession.

A McKinsey study last month about the stress on nurses quoted Gretchen Berlin, a registered nurse and McKinsey partner, as saying: “Many patients, especially at the start of this, had only the nurses with them for those final moments, and I’m not sure that we’ve provided the decompression space for what that does to an individual who has to see that and support people through that over and over again. … The level of stress that individuals are dealing with is going to have massive implications on everyone’s well-being.”

My friend Dr. Steven Packer, president and C.E.O. of Montage Health and Community Hospital in Monterey, Calif., told me that many hospitals today are experiencing an unprecedented 20 percent annual turnover rate of nurses — more than double the historical baseline. The more nurses leave, the more those left behind have had to work overtime.

“We have hard-working frontline staff in critical care settings stretched thin caring for critically ill Covid patients — with the overwhelming majority of those patients having a potentially avoidable illness had they only been vaccinated,” explained Packer. “It is disheartening and distressing.”

Especially when so many dying unvaccinated patients tell their nurses, “I wish I had gotten vaccinated,” according to the American Hospital Association.

But as Wired magazine columnist Steve Levy wrote last week in a critique of Rogan’s three-hour Spotify interview with Malone, none of these statistics were mentioned during that podcast.

“You can listen to the entire 186-minute lovefest between Rogan and Malone and have no idea that our hospitals are overloaded with Covid cases,” wrote Levy, “and that on the day their conversation transpired, 7,559 people worldwide died of Covid, 1,410 of which were in the United States. The vast majority of them were unvaccinated.”

Instead, “the entirety of the podcast makes it clear that Rogan and Malone are on the same team,” Levy added. “When Malone uncorks questionable allegations about disastrous vaccine effects and the global cabal of politicians and drugmakers pulling strings, Rogan responds with uh-huhs and wows.” There is no mention of the numerous studies that “unvaccinated people are many, many times more likely to be hospitalized or die.”

That was Rogan’s right. That was Spotify C.E.O. Daniel Ek’s right. But who was looking out for the doctors and nurses on the pandemic front lines whose only ask is that the politicians and media influencers who are privileged enough to have public platforms — especially one like Rogan with an average of 11 million listeners per episode — use them to reinforce our responsibilities to one another, not just our rights.

I’ll tell you who was defending them: Neil Young.

Listen to the last line of Young’s statement when he pulled out of Spotify: “I am happy and proud to stand in solidarity with the frontline health care workers who risk their lives every day to help others.”

Rogan has vowed to do better at counterbalancing controversial guests. He could start by offering his listeners a 186-minute episode with intensive care nurses and doctors about what this pandemic of the unvaccinated has done to them.

That would be a teaching moment, not only about Covid, but also about putting our responsibilities to one another — and especially to those who care for us — at least on a par with our right to be as dumb and selfish as we want to be.

nyt/friedman
Mame
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2022 07:42 am
@hightor,
"He could start by offering his listeners a 186-minute episode with intensive care nurses and doctors about what this pandemic of the unvaccinated has done to them."

And I wish he would do that. That podcast was epic in its irresponsibility.
snood
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2022 08:44 am
@Mame,
I can’t see Rogan doing three hours on what the pandemic has done to health care workers. Although yes - that would be huge for both his image and for educating his fans about something very important- that would require Rogan to talk about something else besides himself, his perceptions, his bro-man splaining everything.

I don’t think he’s got it in him.
 

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