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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
glitterbag
 
  1  
Thu 26 Aug, 2021 09:21 pm
@goldberg,
goldberg wrote:

Far-left liberals would tell you everything is going to be okay. Just several American victims; there is no need to make a fuss about it. Right?


Not exactly a Mensa member eh?
goldberg
 
  -1  
Thu 26 Aug, 2021 09:29 pm
I'm watching MSNBC. Brian Williams is having a few guests on his show, including a black journalist working at PBS. And she is talking tosh.

She said Biden's decision to withdraw troops was a right decision.

Just send her to Afghanistan to hold talks with the Taliban.

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glitterbag
 
  2  
Thu 26 Aug, 2021 09:30 pm
@goldberg,
goldberg wrote:

If I were the guy sitting in the White House, I would send fighter jets to strike every military base and building owned by the Taliban. If that's not enough, the alternative would be more cruise missiles; the targets are the Taliban and Pakistan.


Dear Clueless, perhaps you could give us a map where all the Taliban military bases and buildings are, how about that. Maybe we could target the Taliban Naval Academy, and the Taliban Space Rockets. Then we will confiscate all their muskets and gun powder and find the Taliban Paul Revere and prevent him from dashing around he country side flashing lantern lights (Despite what Sarah Palin said, he didn't fire his AR-15). I'm sure you and the merry band of bozos can come up with a lot more nifty ideas, because all we can do right now is rely on our Military Commanders and Intelligence Agencies. I don't think many of them have the imagination and forethought of 9 year olds, so you could be invaluable.

goldberg
 
  -1  
Thu 26 Aug, 2021 09:47 pm
The White House "was blasted by critics on Thursday over a baffling report revealing that U.S. officials provided the Taliban with a list of American citizens green card holders & Afghan allies to grant entry into the outer perimeter of the city’s airport, where suicide bombers carried out an attack that killed 12 U.S. servicemembers earlier in the day.

"SCOOP: U.S. officials gave the Taliban a list of names of U.S. citizens, green card holders & Afghan allies to grant entry into the outer perimeter of the city’s airport, prompting outrage behind the scenes from lawmakers and military officials," Politico's Pentagon correspondent Lara Seligman wrote in a Twitter thread Thursday afternoon.

Marine Corps Gen. Kenneth F. McKenzie Jr., commander of U.S. Central Command, confirmed in a press briefing that the United States "will continue to coordinate" with the Taliban in providing safe passage to the airport in Kabul, and that the U.S. military had been sharing "information" with the terrorist group to help prevent such attacks.

Critics were left dumbfounded, taking to social media to express their utter astonishment at the U.S. strategy to rescue American citizens and allies stuck in the region.

"What?" CNN contributor Mary Katherine Ham wrote in response to Seligman's tweet.

"This is…wow," Free Beacon writer Adam Kredo said.

"The Pentagon just said they expect ISIS attacks to continue and are relying on the Taliban to help protect us. The Taliban are supposed to protect us?!" Outkick.com's Clay Travis said. "This is insanity."

Source: Fox News.
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hingehead
 
  2  
Thu 26 Aug, 2021 10:29 pm
@glitterbag,
If he was sitting the white house we would already have lost.
glitterbag
 
  1  
Thu 26 Aug, 2021 10:56 pm
@hingehead,
Yes, let's be grateful for that.
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snood
 
  2  
Fri 27 Aug, 2021 12:54 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

Links, to the latter, please.



https://www.businessinsider.com/us-troops-humiliated-abandoned-bases-syria-russians-2019-10

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/12/26/russia-takes-over-third-us-base-syria-a68751
snood
 
  1  
Fri 27 Aug, 2021 01:29 am
Hey, it won’t upset MAGATS any worse now that it’s revealed the cop who shot Ashli Babbitt is Black, will it?

Nah…
Won’t make any difference at all…

Builder
 
  -1  
Fri 27 Aug, 2021 01:35 am
@snood,
Here's what you claimed;

Quote:
How about when Trump gave our military bases to Russia?


Fulfilling an election promise to get US troops out of endless conflicts in other nations, isn't about handing anything over to usurpers.

Russia showed the whole world that Obama was funding terrorist activities in Syria, and Trump vowed to get the US the hell out of there, and did exactly that.

The fact that Russian troops moved in to those same bases, and that US forces left behind machinery et al (they always do) doesn't even come in to the equation.

Your president fulfilled an election promise, and you're attacking him for it?

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Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Fri 27 Aug, 2021 03:01 am
@glitterbag,
And now the Taliban, of all people, have to fight the IS.
hightor
 
  2  
Fri 27 Aug, 2021 04:08 am
HRC wrote:
In Afghanistan today, two explosions outside the Kabul airport killed at least 60 Afghan civilians and 13 U.S. troops. More than 100 Afghans and 15 U.S. service members were wounded.

ISIS-K, the Islamic State Khorasan, claimed responsibility for the attack. ISIS-K is an extremist offshoot of the Taliban organized in Pakistan about six years ago by younger men who think the older leaders of the Taliban now in control of Afghanistan are too moderate. The ISIS-K leaders want to destabilize the Taliban’s apparent assumption of the country’s leadership after the collapse of the Afghan government.


The Taliban joined governments around the world in condemning the attack, illustrating their interest in being welcomed into the larger international sphere rather than continuing to be perceived as violent outsiders. Increasingly, it seems their sweep into power surprised them as much as anyone, and they are now faced with pulling together warring factions without the hatred of occupying U.S. troops to glue them together.

Taliban leaders continue to talk with former leaders of the U.S.-backed Afghan government to figure out how to govern the country. Western aid, on which the country relies, will depend on the Taliban’s acceptance of basic human rights, including the education of its girls, and its refusal to permit terrorists to use the country as a staging ground.

The attack was horrific but not a surprise. Last night, the U.S. State Department warned of specific security threats and urged U.S. citizens to leave the area around the airport immediately.

Later in the day, observers reported explosions near the airport. Paul Szoldra, editor-in-chief of Task and Purpose, tweeted that he had heard from a source that the explosions were controlled demolitions as U.S. troops destroyed equipment.

Tonight, President Joe Biden held a press conference honoring the dead as “part of the bravest, most capable, and the most selfless military on the face of the Earth.” He told the terrorists that “[w]e will hunt you down and make you pay,” but on our terms, not theirs. “I will defend our interests and our people with every measure at my command,” he said.

Despite the attacks, the airlift continues. Today, General Kenneth F. McKenzie Jr., commander of United States Central Command, said that more than 104,000 people have been evacuated from the airport, including 5000 U.S. citizens.

I confess to being knocked off-keel by the Republican reaction to the Kabul bombing.

The roots of the U.S. withdrawal from its 20 years in Afghanistan were planted in February 2020, when the Trump administration cut a deal with the Taliban agreeing to release 5000 imprisoned Taliban fighters and to leave the country by May 1, 2021, so long as the Taliban did not kill any more Americans. The negotiations did not include the U.S.-backed Afghan government. By the time Biden took office, the U.S. had withdrawn all but 2500 troops from the country.

That left Biden with the option either to go back on Trump’s agreement or to follow through. To ignore the agreement would mean the Taliban would again begin attacking U.S. service people, and the U.S. would both have to pour in significant numbers of troops and sustain casualties. And Biden himself wanted out of what had become a meandering, expensive, unpopular war.

On April 14, 2021, three months after taking office, Biden said he would honor the agreement he had inherited from Trump. “It is perhaps not what I would have negotiated myself,” he said, “but it was an agreement made by the United States government, and that means something.” He said that the original U.S. mission had been to stop Afghanistan from becoming a staging ground for terrorists and to destroy those who had attacked the United States on 9-11, and both of those goals had been accomplished. Now, he said, “our reasons for remaining in Afghanistan are becoming increasingly unclear.”

Biden said he would begin, not end, the troop withdrawal on May 1 (prompting Trump to complain that it should be done sooner), getting everyone out by September 11, the 20th anniversary of the al-Qaeda attacks that took us there in the first place. (He later adjusted that to August 31.) He promised to evacuate the country “responsibly, deliberately, and safely” and assured Americans that the U.S. had “trained and equipped a standing force of over 300,000 Afghan personnel” and that “they’ll continue to fight valiantly, on behalf of the Afghans, at great cost.”

Instead, the Afghan army crumbled as the U.S began to pull its remaining troops out in July. By mid-August, the Taliban had taken control of the capital, Kabul, after taking all the regional capitals in a little over a week. It turned out that when the Trump administration cut the Afghan government out of negotiations with the Taliban, Afghan soldiers recognized that they would soon be on their own and arranged “cease fire” agreements, enabling the Taliban to take control with very little fighting.

Just before the Taliban took Kabul, the leaders of the Afghan government fled the country, abandoning the country to chaos. People rushed to the airport to escape, although the Taliban quickly reassured them that they would give amnesty to all of their former enemies. In those chaotic early hours, seven Afghans died, either crushed in the crowds or killed when they fell from planes to which they had clung in hopes of getting out.

Then, though, the Biden administration established order and has conducted the largest airlift in U.S. history, more than 100,000 people, without casualties until today. The State Department says about 1000 Americans remain in Afghanistan. They are primarily Afghan-Americans who are not sure whether they want to leave. The administration is in contact with them and promises it will continue to work to evacuate them after August 31 if they choose to leave.

In the past, when American troops were targeted by terrorists, Americans came together to condemn those attackers. Apparently, no longer. While world leaders—including even those of the Taliban—condemned the attacks on U.S. troops, Republican leaders instead attacked President Biden.

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) blamed Biden for the attack and insisted that troops should remain in Afghanistan under congressional control until all Americans are safely out. Representative Elise Stefanik (R-NY), who replaced Liz Cheney (R-WY) as the third-ranking Republican in the House when Cheney refused to line up behind Trump, tweeted: "Joe Biden has blood on his hands.... This horrific national security and humanitarian disaster is solely the result of Joe Biden's weak and incompetent leadership. He is unfit to be Commander-in-Chief.”

The attacks on our soldiers and on Afghan civilians in Kabul today have taken up all the oxygen in the U.S. media, but there is another horrific story: the continuing carnage as the Delta variant of Covid-19 continues to rip through the unvaccinated.

In Florida, where Governor Ron DeSantis has forbidden mask or vaccine mandates, 21,000 people a day are being diagnosed with coronavirus—more than twice the rate of the rest of the country—and almost 230 a day are dying, a rate triple that of the rest of the country. Right now, Florida alone accounts for one fifth of national deaths from Covid.

Ten major hospitals in Florida are out of space in their morgues and have rented coolers for their dead; those, too, are almost full. Intensive care units in the state are 94% occupied. Sixty-eight hospitals warned yesterday that they had fewer than 48 hours left of the oxygen their Covid patients need, a reflection of the fact that 17,000 people are currently hospitalized in the state.

Appearing on the Fox News Channel last night, DeSantis blamed Biden for the crisis. “He said he was going to end Covid,” DeSantis said. “He hasn’t done that.”
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A couple of points stood out to me.

In 2001, the Taliban was routed and many Taliban fighter broke ranks and sided with the Northern Alliance, the armed forces allied with the USA. Twenty years later the exact reverse took place, as soldiers of the Afghan government crossed over and sided with the Taliban. A collection of tribes is not a "nation" no matter how hard the USA wants to turn it into one.

There are something like 250,000 Afghans who worked with the USA and have supposedly been promised resettlement in this country. (If this is substantially wrong please cite some actual figures and whether any promise was made – I heard this over the radio.) I can't believe that the Republicans would actually welcome that many Muslims into the country and I get the feeling that their expressions of "concern" are strictly for political purposes.

I think the charge by Ron De Santis in the last paragraph of the article was cribbed from something oralloy might have posted!
goldberg
 
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Fri 27 Aug, 2021 06:57 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
It would be naive to think the Taliban would do that , although it's widely reported that ISIS and its related military groups have dissidents who used to fight for the Taliban

The fact is both the Taliban and ISIS have the same objective:they want to expel all the non-Muslim foreign nations; besides, they want to bring to heel Shia Islam.

To put it simply, they still need each other no matter how they resent each other. The Taliban and ISIS also know how to play good cop/bad cop.
goldberg
 
  -1  
Fri 27 Aug, 2021 07:03 pm
Some conservatives are said to be calling on Biden to resign. I think it's not a prudent move since the vice president happens to be an airhead. Maybe Biden could learn some hard lessons from this and start acting like a strong leader instead of telling voters that America is going to have a black president.

Biden, you are the president. Just snap out of it.
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glitterbag
 
  2  
Fri 27 Aug, 2021 09:22 pm
CNN reporting says that CENTCOM announced that ISIS-K Planner was killed in US Airstrike just hours ago.

(the part below is what I was writing when the above Breaking News Bulletin appeared)

I'm not sure if this has come up before, but one of happy things that has happened since Biden became President is that we are no longer being bombarded by incessant bullshit comments via Twitter on whatever nonsense passes through Trump's fevered ADHD mind.



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hightor
 
  1  
Sun 29 Aug, 2021 10:27 am
What Trump’s Disgraceful Deal With the Taliban Has Wrought

Quote:
Believing you’re uniquely capable of bending things to your will is practically a requirement for becoming president of the United States. But too often, in pursuit of such influence over foreign policy, presidents overemphasize the importance of personal diplomacy. Relationships among leaders can build trust — or destroy it — but presidents often overrate their ability to steer both allies and adversaries.

Ronald Reagan and Mikhail Gorbachev had built such a solid relationship that during the Reykjavik summit most of Reagan’s administration worried he would agree to an unverifiable elimination of nuclear weapons. Bill Clinton believed his personal diplomacy could deliver Palestinian statehood and Russian acceptance of NATO expansion. George W. Bush believed he looked into Vladimir Putin’s eyes and saw his soul, and Barack Obama believed he could persuade Mr. Putin it wasn’t in Russia’s interests to determine the outcome of the war in Syria.

But in both hubris and folly, none come close to matching Donald Trump. For someone who prided himself on his abilities as a dealmaker and displayed an “I alone can fix it” arrogance, the agreement he made with the Taliban is one of the most disgraceful diplomatic bargains on record. Coupled with President Biden’s mistakes in continuing the policy and botching its execution, the deal has now led to tragic consequences for Americans and our allies in Kabul.

Mr. Trump’s handling of Afghanistan is an object lesson for why presidents of both parties need to be better constrained by Congress and the public in their conduct of foreign policy.

Mr. Trump never believed Afghanistan was worth fighting for: as early as 2011 he advocated its abandonment. Once in office, his early infatuation with “my generals” gave the Pentagon latitude to dissuade the president from exactly the kind of rush to the exits we’re now seeing in Afghanistan. Mr. Trump wanted to abandon the war in Afghanistan, but he understood atavistically that it would damage him politically to have a terrorist attack or a Saigon comparison attached to his policy choices.

Thus the impetus for a negotiated settlement. The problem with Mr. Trump’s Taliban deal wasn’t that the administration turned to diplomacy. That was a sensible avenue out of the policy constraints. The problem was that the strongest state in the international order let itself be swindled by a terrorist organization. Because we so clearly wanted out of Afghanistan, we agreed to disreputable terms, and then proceeded to pretend that the Taliban were meeting even those.

Mr. Trump agreed to withdraw all coalition forces from Afghanistan in 14 months, end all military and contractor support to Afghan security forces and cease “intervening in its domestic affairs.” He forced the Afghan government to release 5,000 Taliban fighters and relax economic sanctions. He agreed that the Taliban could continue to commit violence against the government we were there to support, against innocent people and against those who’d assisted our efforts to keep Americans safe. All the Taliban had to do was say they would stop targeting U.S. or coalition forces, not permit Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations to use Afghan territory to threaten U.S. security and subsequently hold negotiations with the Afghan government.

Not only did the agreement have no inspection or enforcement mechanisms, but despite Mr. Trump’s claim that “If bad things happen, we’ll go back with a force like no one’s ever seen,” the administration made no attempt to enforce its terms. Trump’s own former national security adviser called it “a surrender agreement.”

Mr. Trump and his supporters clearly considered the deal a great success — until just days ago, the Republican National Committee had a web page heralding the success of Mr. Trump’s “historic peace agreement.” Really, the Trump administration’s deal with the Taliban deserves opprobrium even greater than what it heaped on the Iran nuclear deal struck by the Obama administration.

Mr. Trump wasn’t unique among American presidents in the grandiose belief that he alone could somehow change behaviors of our enemies and adversaries. Ever since Theodore Roosevelt brought an end to the Russo-Japanese war and won the Nobel Peace Prize, most American presidents have found irresistible the siren call of personal diplomacy.

Instead of banking on other countries being charmed or persuaded that American leaders know their interests better than they do, presidents should return to the practice of persuading their fellow Americans of the merits of agreements with foreign powers. Congress can begin by reasserting its role in diplomacy and requiring specific authorizations for the use of military force rather than continuing to acquiesce to claims that existing executive authorizations can be endlessly expanded. It should refuse the shifting of funds previously authorized and appropriated for other purposes (Mr. Trump made such shifts to construct the border wall). It should reject foreign policy changes enacted by executive order rather than congressional approval, and it should force the Supreme Court to clarify the extent of the president’s war powers.

Agreements with foreign powers, whether states, international institutions or organizations like the Taliban, should be submitted to Congress for a vote. The best way to prevent catastrophic foreign policy mistakes is to require the 535 representatives of the American people to put their jobs on the line, become informed, and support, reject or modify a president’s program. Congress tried to slow or block Mr. Trump’s planned drawdown of U.S. forces. Members who supported the Taliban deal should be explaining why they thought the outcome would be different than the tragedy unfolding in Afghanistan now. Apathy and unaccountability are the real enemies of good foreign policy. Presidents get around oversight by offering unilateral policy actions or claiming international agreements aren’t formal treaties. Congress shouldn’t let a president from either party get away with that.

Addressing foreign agreements as stand-alone votes would raise the profile and stakes even more. Supporting Mr. Trump’s Taliban agreement would have been — and should have been — a tough vote. There are reasonable arguments on the side of continuing the war and on the side of concluding it. America would be more secure today if Congress exerted its prerogatives more forcefully — both when Mr. Trump agreed to the Taliban deal, and when Mr. Biden continued it.

These are not partisan issues. They get at the heart of the constitutional separation of powers, a division that makes America strong and resilient. Restraining presidential fiat may mean that some foreign policy opportunities are missed, that some deals will remain out of reach. But it also insulates the president, and the American public, against bad deals by allowing for greater public scrutiny and oversight. As the debacle in Afghanistan shows, closer evaluation of Mr. Trump’s Taliban deal and of Mr. Biden’s withdrawal plans would have been preferable to the tragedy now unfolding.

nyt/schake
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edgarblythe
 
  2  
Sun 29 Aug, 2021 10:30 am
Trump was the first to recognize we had to end the war. Whatever else he is, he had one positive impulse in his life.
snood
 
  2  
Sun 29 Aug, 2021 11:54 am
@edgarblythe,
I don’t know why you keep making the point that Trump did “one good thing” with what he did about Afghanistan. He didn’t do anything helpful - getting out of Afghanistan wasn’t exactly an original thought. All he did was make a bad deal with the Taliban.
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hightor
 
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Sun 29 Aug, 2021 12:19 pm
@edgarblythe,
Trump didn't have the political baggage – the history of political promises and alliances which surrounds most experienced politicians. As a nihilist, representing only himself and his MAGA movement, and with a specific desire to upend any existing political consensus, he really had nothing to lose. Nothing to win either – witness the his faulty peace "deal" with the Taliban.
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edgarblythe
 
  1  
Sun 29 Aug, 2021 12:44 pm
Without his deal, for better or worse, the war would not have abated in the slightest with Biden without it, as I see it.
oralloy
 
  0  
Sun 29 Aug, 2021 06:36 pm
@edgarblythe,
The war abated nearly seven years ago when Barack Obama won it.

We and our NATO allies were suffering fewer than 20 deaths a year, except for occasional spikes to 26 deaths a year.
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