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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
Builder
 
  1  
Wed 25 Aug, 2021 01:42 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
Except you haven't.


I demonstrated accurately, with links to support it, that you were wrong.

The fact that you refuse to accept your mistakes, does not affect in any way the fact that you were wrong.

Cognitive dissonance is a very common affliction, so you're just one of the many with this disorder.
hightor
 
  3  
Wed 25 Aug, 2021 03:11 am
HCR wrote:
Since August 14, just ten days ago, the U.S. has facilitated the evacuation of 70,700 people from Afghanistan; more than 21,000 flew out in the last day alone. President Biden maintains that the U.S. will be out of Afghanistan by the August 31 deadline.

The evacuation, which began chaotically as the Afghan army and government crumbled and the Taliban took over the country in less than two weeks, has become far more orderly and efficient. (If there’s one thing the military does exceedingly well, it’s move large numbers of people!)

The administration has refused to say how many Americans remain in the country— the State Department urged employees to leave the country beginning in April—but its reluctance is likely out of concern about passing that information on to the Taliban. This evening, Ned Price, the State Department spokesperson, said that the department has called every American who has expressed an interest in leaving Afghanistan, identifying them through a repatriation form on the website of the U.S. Embassy in Kabul.

News broke today that the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, William J. Burns, met secretly on Monday in Kabul with a Taliban leader, Abdul Ghani Baradar, to discuss the continuing evacuation efforts. Regardless of what they discussed, it seems to me a sign that the U.S. feels secure enough about the safety of Kabul to risk sending the country’s top spy there for a parley.

Another demonstration of that security came today when two Representatives, Peter Meijer (R-MI) and Seth Moulton (D-MA), took it upon themselves to fly to Kabul, unannounced ("to conduct oversight on the mission to evacuate Americans and our allies," Moulton’s office said). The State Department and U.S. military personnel were said to be furious that they had to "divert resources to provide security and information to the lawmakers.” “It’s as moronic as it is selfish,” a senior administration official told the Washington Post. “They’re taking seats away from Americans and at-risk Afghans—while putting our diplomats and service members at greater risk—so they can have a moment in front of the cameras.”

Although no Americans have yet been hurt in the evacuation, that state of affairs is precarious. Threats of an attack on the Kabul airport from ISIS-K, which would like to destabilize the Taliban before it cements its power, continue to loom.

Meanwhile, Congress is busy at home. The House of Representatives has a number of major bills before it. It has the $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill for road, bridges, broadband, and other so-called “hard” infrastructure projects, and its counterpart, the $3.5 trillion list of Democratic priorities for “soft” infrastructure, including child care, housing, funding for measures addressing climate change, education, and so on.

These bills represent the largest investment in America since at least the 1960s. They are also a signature effort for the Democrats. They reject the Republican policy of replacing government action with private investment spurred by tax cuts, returning the nation to the era before the Reagan Revolution.

The House is also considering two major voting rights acts. One is the For the People Act, which protects the right to vote, ends partisan gerrymandering; reduces corporate money in elections; and requires new ethics rules for elected officials. The other is the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act, which is more limited than the For the People Act but which has been carefully tailored to address the Supreme Court’s previous reasoning for gutting the 1965 Voting Rights Act in 2013 and again in July of this year.

The John Lewis Act would restore the power of the Department of Justice to prevent states from restricting the vote, as Republican-dominated states have been rushing to do since the 2020 election.

Democrats from different parts of the country and with different constituencies have different priorities. Holding them together, especially on the infrastructure bill, has not been easy. Progressives refused to agree to the bipartisan bill until they were assured it would not replace the larger package. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi agreed to move the two forward together, and then, on August 12, nine Democrats from moderate districts demanded a vote on the bipartisan bill without waiting for the larger measure.

Meanwhile, those who see voting rights as the single most important issue for Congress right now have been frustrated as the infrastructure bills have taken up so much of Congress’s time.

Negotiations led today to a House vote on a rule that folded together these concerns. It approved the start of the process of writing the $3.5 trillion bill, guaranteed a vote on the bipartisan bill by September 27, and called for a vote on the John Lewis voting rights measure. The vote on the rule was 220 to 212 with all Democrats voting yes and all Republicans voting no.

The House then passed the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act by a vote of 219 to 212. Not a single Republican voted yes. The bill now moves to the Senate, where Republicans plan to kill it with the filibuster.

Yesterday’s full approval of the Pfizer vaccine by the Food and Drug Administration has, as expected, led to more requirements for proof of vaccination in public spaces. Today, Louisiana State University announced that no one will be admitted to football games without proof of vaccination or a recent negative Covid test. Ohio State University explicitly said that the FDA's full approval of the vaccine meant it would require its staff, students, and faculty to be vaccinated. Biden’s efforts to combat the pandemic seem to be gaining ground again.

Each of these major news items shows a remarkably effective political party, especially since the Democrats are accomplishing as much as they are while—with the exception of a handful of Republicans willing to sign on to the bipartisan infrastructure package—Republicans are doing all they can simply to stop the Democrats.

This week, Republican lawmakers in Pennsylvania announced they are starting hearings on the 2020 election to address their concerns that it was fraudulent. Republicans in the Wisconsin legislature, too, are revisiting the 2020 election. An “audit” of the 2020 election in Arizona has been plagued with irregularities, errors, and problems: it was supposed to announce its “results” this week—three months behind schedule—but three of the five leaders from the Cyber Ninjas conducting the audit are sick with Covid.

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blatham
 
  3  
Wed 25 Aug, 2021 08:18 am
@hightor,
Heather Cox Richardson is a bloody treasure. One point I'll make here (sorry if made previously) re media coverage of this "failure" as it has been labeled...
Quote:
Since August 14, just ten days ago, the U.S. has facilitated the evacuation of 70,700 people from Afghanistan; more than 21,000 flew out in the last day alone.
The evacuation of Saigon involved 7000 individuals.
Frank Apisa
 
  3  
Wed 25 Aug, 2021 08:39 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Heather Cox Richardson is a bloody treasure. One point I'll make here (sorry if made previously) re media coverage of this "failure" as it has been labeled...
Quote:
Since August 14, just ten days ago, the U.S. has facilitated the evacuation of 70,700 people from Afghanistan; more than 21,000 flew out in the last day alone.
The evacuation of Saigon involved 7000 individuals.


Amen!
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edgarblythe
 
  3  
Wed 25 Aug, 2021 08:46 am
No matter who presided over that war's end, it was going to be like this. If it had been Obama or Trump, the hollering would be as loud.
Frank Apisa
 
  3  
Wed 25 Aug, 2021 08:54 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

No matter who presided over that war's end, it was going to be like this. If it had been Obama or Trump, the hollering would be as loud.


My guess is that if it had been Trump...it would have been MUCH worse. Trump could screw up anything more by accident than most others could on purpose.

But, YES, it would have been horrible no matter who finally got us out of there.
edgarblythe
 
  3  
Wed 25 Aug, 2021 09:03 am
You couldn't holler much louder than Georgeob1 did on here.
hightor
 
  2  
Wed 25 Aug, 2021 09:50 am
@edgarblythe,
Trump on Afghanistan
by David A. Graham, The Atlantic


Donald Trump knows he’s against President Joe Biden’s withdrawal from Afghanistan. He’s been saying as much, in harsh words, in the prolific statements he’s been emailing out since he got banned from Twitter.

His problem: The withdrawal follows a template that Trump himself set out. As I wrote earlier this week, Biden and Trump have both chosen to emphasize America’s narrow national interest by exiting Afghanistan as quickly as possible. Now the former president needs to figure out why exactly he hates Biden’s approach

On Monday, Trump railed against the United States for leaving behind civilians who’d helped American troops, a position that placed him in alignment with my colleague George Packer, many progressives, and some Republicans. “Can anyone even imagine taking out our Military before evacuating civilians and others who have been good to our Country and who should be allowed to seek refuge?” Trump wrote.

That humanitarian concern, however, placed him at odds with the MAGA movement. Tucker Carlson delivered nativist warnings about Afghan refugees (“First we invade, and then we are invaded”). Steve Cortes, a Newsmax host and Trump 2020 aide, tweeted a picture of Afghans on a transport plane with the caption, “Raise your hand if you want this plane landing in your town?”

Suddenly Trump changed his tune. He emailed supporters the same photo that Cortes tweeted, saying, “This plane should have been full of Americans. America First!”

The about-face is a reminder that although Trump holds a few core values (racism, anti-immigration, protectionism), he is otherwise ideologically flexible. His insight in 2016 was to endorse views widely held by Republican voters but rejected by other GOP politicians as deplorable, politically unwise, or both. But Trump sometimes misreads his supporters—and when he does, he often moves quickly to get back in line.

Trump is still trying to find the right angle to reconcile his xenophobia with his attacks on Biden. In yet another statement today, he offered a critique of the administration’s military logistics: “First you bring out all of the American citizens. Then you bring out ALL equipment. Then you bomb the bases into smithereens—AND THEN YOU BRING OUT THE MILITARY. You don’t do it in reverse order like Biden and our woke Generals did.”

In tactical terms, this makes zero sense. But then coherence has never been a requirement for Trump—or Trumpism.
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hightor
 
  3  
Wed 25 Aug, 2021 10:04 am
Half a million dead USAmericans, billionaires making obscene amounts of money while working people are holed up in their homes, armed militias invading the U.S. Capitol...

Quote:
This is hardly our finest hour, and we are left with the illusion of continued leadership at the hands of a stupid, corrupt, and somewhat demented lifelong lecherous conman.


I was thinking of replying to georgeob's predictably myopic screed, but I decided his last sentence could be applied to someone else with minor editing.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Wed 25 Aug, 2021 10:09 am
@hightor,
I heard about helicopters sitting on the tarmac in Kabul rusting because nobody can fly or maintain them.

It was American tax payers money that got wasted on that.



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izzythepush
 
  2  
Wed 25 Aug, 2021 10:12 am
@hightor,
Just remember the deafening silence when Trump was in office.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 25 Aug, 2021 11:27 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
No matter who presided over that war's end, it was going to be like this. If it had been Obama or Trump, the hollering would be as loud.

Wrong. If we had continued to support the Afghani government, it would have ended the same way that the Korean War ended.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 25 Aug, 2021 11:28 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
I demonstrated accurately, with links to support it, that you were wrong.

No you didn't. You made an untrue claim that I am wrong, and you supported that with links that contain untrue information.

You and your links are the only ones who are wrong.


Builder wrote:
The fact that you refuse to accept your mistakes, does not affect in any way the fact that you were wrong.

I have not made any mistakes, and I am not wrong.


Builder wrote:
Cognitive dissonance is a very common affliction, so you're just one of the many with this disorder.

I do not suffer from any disorders.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Wed 25 Aug, 2021 11:36 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
You couldn't holler much louder than Georgeob1 did on here.

Progressives are bad people. It is proper that they be condemned.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Wed 25 Aug, 2021 11:37 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
But, YES, it would have been horrible no matter who finally got us out of there.

Had we stayed, it would have been horrible only for the terrorists and the progressives who support terrorism.
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MontereyJack
 
  2  
Wed 25 Aug, 2021 11:56 am
@oralloy,
Bullshit often repeated is still bullshit. It just smells worse.
BillW
 
  1  
Wed 25 Aug, 2021 12:01 pm
@MontereyJack,
When it gets old, hard and crusty like orally's, you can just burn it.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Wed 25 Aug, 2021 12:08 pm
@MontereyJack,
The only BS here is coming from you. Your betrayal of Afghanistan is horrific. You should be ashamed of yourself.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 25 Aug, 2021 12:09 pm
@BillW,
Progressives suck. They are just bad people through and through.
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Wed 25 Aug, 2021 12:21 pm
@oralloy,
Still just odorous bullshit.
 

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