@oralloy,
That's one example with completely different circumstances, which
is relevant, behind it.
@InfraBlue,
If you feel that there are different circumstances with any sort of relevance, you are always free to present such a case.
Until a convincing case is presented though, I'll continue to believe that Afghanistan is just as capable of democracy as anyone else is.
@snood,
snood wrote:Service members killed: 2448
Civilian contractors killed: 3846
Those are figures that cover the period when we and our NATO allies were engaged in active combat throughout the country.
Those figures have zero relevance to the period where everyone was training the Afghani Army to do all the fighting and no US or other NATO forces were engaged in any combat.
Same reply for the posts by BillW and Walter Hinteler that quote similar figures that are unrelated to the period of time when NATO and the US was merely training the Afghani Army and not engaging in combat.
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:I already did.
You merely claimed that there is a difference. You haven't yet presented any kind of convincing argument that your claim is true.
From Fox News
WHERE DOES THE TALIBAN'S STRENGTH LIE?
"The Taliban's strength has traditionally been in the south and the west of the country predominantly, where ethnic Pashtuns, who make up the backbone of the religious movement, dominate. It is a vast area that borders Pakistan's tribal region, also dominated by ethnic Pashtuns, who in many cases share tribal and family links.
But in recent months the Taliban have waged blistering assaults in the north and the west, with success in Ghor and Faryab provinces. Although pockets of ethnic Pashtuns live in these areas, analysts say their increasing presence and pressure reflects the weakness of the Afghan National Security Forces to repel Taliban assaults. Previously, the Taliban were satisfied to control areas outside the heavily fortified centers, where government administrators operate and rarely venture beyond. But increasingly they are setting their sites on taking over district centers, forcing government and military personnel to withdraw."
It reminds of one of the Mao's military tactics, which is to seize the rural area first , and then use it as a base from which to attack and annex big cities. To that end, you need to be able to buy off peasants and turn them into foot soldiers fighting against capitalists. Beyond that, you also have to cajole some high earners into working for you, by which I mean the need to turn them into molls and subversives inciting hatred against the ruling class.
The USSR reportedly tried to do this in America just like what it did in China. It sent someone to America to help some American commies build up a stronghold in America by dint of labour unions' assistance. This strategy had moved the needle in some big cities in China.
Yet to his consternation, most workers in America demurred, refusing to use street violence as a means to vitiate America's democracy.
@goldberg,
Rachel maddow has video of trump at a pre election rally bragging about how he's getting our troops out of afghan. and doin it in a way NOBODY can stop, and says the afghan government will foall without americans to prop it up. and the crowd loves it. now idiots like marjorie taylor green are bleating that it's all biden's fault and he should be impeached. why the **** does she still wear a "trump won" mask? the gop started an unwinnable war. it's on their head.
@goldberg,
Yeah, it was the hard right that tried tpo use street violence to subvert american democracy on 1/6, not the left, wasn't it?
@MontereyJack,
What about BLM? Some black miscreants burst into shops owned by Asian Americans; one old black women even came out inveighing against such brigands.
@MontereyJack,
I think it would be wrong for America to pull its troops out like this. Biden should have spent more time pondering this move. It's true that many Americans agonise over America's mounting war expenses. Yet you also have to mull over the consequences of misreading the Taliban's real motives.
The Taliban will always be a terrorist group that wants to expunge Western values from the Middle East. It only upholds a strict version of Sharia law; it wants to confine women and girls to their homes and even bludgeon them into becoming comfort women for Taliban forces.
A female mayor has been captured by the Taliban. She could get whacked as a doughty woman refusing to play along.
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:the gop started an unwinnable war. it's on their head.
That is incorrect. al-Qa'ida started the war when they came to New York City and massacred thousands of civilians.
And the war was not only winnable, we were winning it until Traitor Joe decided to betray everyone and sell out our ally to our enemy.
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:I already did.
You merely claimed that there is a difference.
I pointed out the circumstances surrounding the collapse of the IRA, which are different from the circumstances surrounding South Korea.
oralloy wrote:You haven't yet presented any kind of convincing argument that your claim is true.
Yes I have. That you are unconvinced is irrelevant.
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:I pointed out the circumstances surrounding the collapse of the IRA, which are different from the circumstances surrounding South Korea.
This is merely a repetition of your unsupported claim that there is a difference.
InfraBlue wrote:Yes I have. That you are unconvinced is irrelevant.
I think you miss the point of the term "convincing". It means something that convinces.
@oralloy,
rachel maddow shows your view of history is full of **** as she does so regularly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH0DZ-v3t3g
@oralloy,
And if you're going to talk about Traitors, get your traitors right. It was Traitoir Trump all the way, not Traitor Joe,, know Traitor Trump doesn't mae a good grocvery store pun, but as maddow points out "art of the deal" donald, made the deal withh the taliban to pull out, he started the mass pullout, and boasted to his mkaga rally crowds he was doing it and it would be virtually impossiblke for anyone alkse to stop it, and the crowd lkoved him for it. maddow as usual uses trump's actual videotape to show just how wrong you as usual are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boAHSdhO_7A
@MontereyJack,
Rachel Maddow appears to be a fast-talking crank. She just gets a bang out of torching conservatives by reciting what other liberals say as is her wont. I could do that too for MSNBC. CNN's John Harwood used to be a reporter at the Wall Street Journal, not Rachel Maddow , who is just a smarmy talking head.
I also feel sorry for John Harwood. He could have been a star at Fox News. He shouldn't have joined CNN after leaving CNBC.