God's existence and existence of virtual particles

@BillRM,

Dear Bill:

You seem to not read science, for you still harp on things that are not endorsed in science.

That is an arbitrary i.e. gratuitous mindset, to not read science at all.

Anyway, let you read science and tell me and mankind that scientists expatiate to us: that the universe has a beginning some 13.8 billion years ago.*

*Google: scientists universe 13.8 billion years ago

About 314,000 results (0.61 seconds)

Age of the universe: 13.8 billion years, scientists confirm
www.usatoday.com › story › news › nation › 2020/07/15
Jul 15, 2020 - Universe is 13.8 billion years old, scientists confirm · Obtaining the best image of the infant universe helps scientists better understand the origins ...

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@Susmariosep,
Sorry the big bang happen roughly 15 billions years or so however that said nothing about the conditions of the universe or universes before the big bang.

Bringing in some super being explain nothing at all anymore then lightening bolts from heaven was explain by the god Zeus.

Nice however that god is working hard to created virtual particles for some reason.

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@Susmariosep,

Addendum:*

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Google: scientists universe 13.8 billion years ago
About 314,000 results (0.37 seconds)

Age of the universe: 13.8 billion years, scientists confirm
www.usatoday.com › story › news › nation › 2020/07/15
Jul 15, 2020 - Universe is 13.8 billion years old, scientists confirm · Obtaining the best image of the infant universe helps scientists better understand the origins ...

How do we know universe is 13.7 billion years old?
According to research, the universe is approximately 13.8 billion years old. ... They can determine the age of the universe using two different methods: by studying the oldest objects within the universe and measuring how fast it is expanding.Jun 8, 2017

How Old is the Universe? | Space
www.space.com › 24054-how-old-is-the-universe
Search for: How do we know universe is 13.7 billion years old?

How do we know the universe is 13.8 billion years old?
The scientists studied an image of the oldest light in the universe to confirm its age of 13.8 billion years. This light, the "afterglow" of the Big Bang, is known as the cosmic microwave background and marks a time 380,000 years after the universe's birth when protons and electrons joined to form the first atoms.Jul 15, 2020

Universe is 13.8 billion years old, scientists confirm - USA Today
www.usatoday.com › story › news › nation › 2020/07/15

Etc. etc. etc.

*Cease and desist already with reading fake news.

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@Susmariosep,

LOL so you have a problem with my stating that the university is roughly repeat roughly 15 billions years old instead of 13.8 plus billions years old???

I used the term roughly for the reason I did not feel at that moment looking up a better estimate of the age and there was zero reason I could see to have a better estimate of the age one way or another as far as the thread subject matters is concern.

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@BillRM,

Dear Bill, you keep on and on and on sticking isolated with your fake news information from what scientists tell us, that the universe has a BEGINNING some 13.8 billion years ago.

I love very much to have a sustained exchange with you on this matter, whether the universe has a beginning.

Let me read your next words on this matter.

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@BillRM,

Well, everyone, I am still waiting for Bill to engage in exchange of ideas with me in re that the universe has a BEGINNING some 13.8 billion years ago.

My first emphasis is on beginning, then on 13.8 billion years ago.

So, dear Bill, what exactly are you into, to deny that the universe has a BEGINNING, or to deny that the BEGINNING occurred some 13.8 billion years ago?

What are you, an experiment oriented and experienced investigator researcher in physical cosmology on the dating of the BEGINNING of the universe?

I have to call out self-smart posters who ascribe to the fake news and information that if God has NO beginning according to God knowers, it might as well be that the universe has NO beginning.

The fact is that scientists tell us the universe has a beginning some 13.8 billion years ago.

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@Susmariosep,

You chose answer C, that means you have the spirit of exploration.

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@Susmariosep,

You keep having trouble defining terms and just to start with there is no indication that our universe we see with our eyes and our instruments is not a very small part of a must larger reality.

See the following A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss, AAI 2009

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@BillRM,

Lawrence Krauss is not an honest intelligent productive thinker.

He is duplicitous with the meaning of nothing.

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@Susmariosep,

Susmariosep wrote:

Lawrence Krauss is not an honest intelligent productive thinker.

He is duplicitous with the meaning of nothing.

Yes of course men and women with advance degrees in the fields they are addressing can not be trusted at all.

We need to get our science knowledge from the so call history channel and other such sources including the religion channels.

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Lawrence Krauss - Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › Lawrence_Krauss
Lawrence Maxwell Krauss (born May 27, 1954) is an American-Canadian theoretical physicist and cosmologist who previously taught at Arizona State University, Yale University, and Case Western Reserve University.

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@BillRM,

Dear Bill:

I can't imagine a literate guy like you take up with a guy like Lawrence Krauss.

Don't you have any fresh brain tissues at all, as to be guarded against Krauss, cheating on what is called misrepresenting nothing as something?

I invite you most sincerely to employ your newly refreshed brain issues to think on what is existence.

Ask yourself, has there ever been anytime and anywhere at all that is not linked to existence, to something than nothing?

As physicists love to muse about the end of the universe and also nonsense multiverse, what about you make use of your newly refreshed brain tissues, to honestly intelligently and productively think about the difference between:

Thing vs Nothing?

Can you at all start your thinking life with NOTHING, or already on your first thought post exit from your mother's womb, start your thinking life with THING instead of NOTHING?

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@Susmariosep,

Sorry but even as a young child I saw the weakness of your statements.

Bringing in some super being as the driving force for the birth and the existence of the universe by waving your hands answer no questions at all an just add one unneeded layer to the problem of existence.

Where did this super being come from is then in question instead of where did the universe come from.

Moving the question of existence back with no gain for doing so.

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@BillRM,

Dear Bill:

I am not talking now about God's existence, but about existence in itself, can you comprehend that at all?

It's like you have narrowed down your exchange with me on alcoholic drinking, and you insist that there is no such thing as alcoholic drinking.

So I switch to drinking, just drinking, without any association with alcohol, but to my greatest dismay, you have got yourself stuck to alcoholic drinking.

That is what I can't even imagine at all, that you being literate and of course with some education, you cannot exchange thoughts with me now, on drinking - no longer alcoholic drinking.

Still you keep I fear on and on and on stuck to alcoholic drinking, why?

The answer is very simple, because you are a robot that is not programmed to operate on what is drinking, but only on what is alcoholic drinking.

As you are in this thread as a homo sapiens and not as a bot, then can you now just switch off your robot self-programming, and let us we two talk about existence, without any association of God existing?

Can you comprehend my point, or it is hopeless altogether to talk with you: because you are a deficiently programmed robot.

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@Susmariosep,

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Title of this thread is God's existence and existence of virtual particles

Now if you are not talking about a god and the universe then I suggest you are in the wrong thread.

A robot have no free will as by Christian dogma only humans and angels have free will.

Too bad that god never got around to explaining to my cats that they do not have free will

As far as the universe not needing a god to come into being that why I gave links to some current theories of the universe existence.

For myself I love the concept of the universe being the result in some random flux in the over universe that when you sum up the total energy of this university the results in a nice big zero.

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@BillRM,

Dear Bill:

You declare:
For myself I love the concept of the universe being the result in some random flux in the over universe that when you sum up the total energy of this university the results in a nice big zero.

Well, big words, but still from the mouth in a way of a robot - unless you can and will tell me what is a "random flux"?

I love to learn from you, even though you behave as a robot, because it could now be that the robot has gotten better improved and further enhanced programming, okay?

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@Susmariosep,

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- unless you can and will tell me what is a "random flux"?

Suggest you read the material I have link to on this thread a number of times an for you to stop playing games also.

Zeus is not the reason for Lighting bolts and the Christian three in one god is not the reason for the universe.

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@BillRM,

An amusing footnote as a young child I was frighten by the sound of thunder an my mother told me it was the angels in heaven bowling.

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@BillRM,

Dear Bill, you have not grown up to be a genuine man what with Zeus and fright of angels behind thunder - still making you captive of myths, and rendering you sleepless in stormy nights.

I like to invite you and me to think about existence, that there has always been existence, see if you have any cognitive talents to derive the insight to the theory of everything in the fact of existence.

Start with how do we ascertain that there is existence instead of ghost shadows.

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@Susmariosep,

Dear Bill,

See? You are out of your infancy ignorance and Zeus and lightning angels of your babyhood days.

Again and again I love to learn from you on what is existence, and you flee from it because your delight is in Zeus' company and with angels behind thunder and lightning.

So, I will just start on you with a tip, like let you ask yourself, Am I existing, and how do I know that I am existing?

Dear readers and posters here, Bill will I am sad to say, will seek refuge again in his new born infancy babyhood days, just like all atheists, they refuse to grow up into intellectual maturity.

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Susmariosep
Mon 28 Sep, 2020 06:18 pm

@BillRM,
Dear Bill, you have not grown up to be a genuine man what with Zeus and fright of angels behind thunder - still making you captive of myths, and rendering you sleepless in stormy nights.

I like to invite you and me to think about existence, that there has always been existence, see if you have any cognitive talents to derive the insight to the theory of everything in the fact of existence.

Start with how do we ascertain that there is existence instead of ghost shadows.

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Dear everyone, I am very keen to share with everyone my thought on the subject of what is existence and how we come to know about the reality of existence.

Of course we all know that we exist, even die hard skeptics have to admit that they exist, even though they routinely insist that they have no certainty that they do really exist, and the cure for them is the following experiment:

Challenge them to bang their nose hard again and again and each time harder and harder, against a concrete wall.

There.

They will no longer insist that they really cannot be certain that they exist.

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Dear everyone, please correct me if I am mistaken.

The more and more I have examined atheists' arguments against the existence of God, the more and more certain I have become that they have no any seriously true arguments against God's existence:

They are all to their core nothing but evasions from the issue itself of God exists or not.

You don't take me seriously?

Okay, present to me any arguments from atheists or their fans, their most best unbeatable arguments for the non-existence of God.

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