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We will be way better of without a government!

 
 
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2020 09:15 pm
@Palandre,
Palandre wrote:

if you removed government, someone would still try to rule everyone -


likely through force & fear.


You mean, exactly like 'government' does? Hmmm


Yes, exactly like government does.

There are different types of government. Some are better to live in than others. "No government" is one of the worst lives I can imagine.
vikorr
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2020 11:14 pm
@Palandre,
Quote:
You mean, exactly like 'government' does? Hmmm
Like government does to an extent, rather than exactly like government does. You:
- can't call education services fear and force
- can't call health care fear and force
- can't call welfare fear and force
- can't call roads fear and force
- can't call setting up water supplies fear and force
- can't call setting up utilities fear and force
- you can't call environmental research fear and force
- you can't call keeping orderly records (eg land titles) fear and force
- and there is an extensive list of such things

You could argue that such are 'used' to enforce will...but:

1. that wouldn't change that the above systems themselves are not fear or force; and

2. Viewing any such enforcement of will through the above channels could only be viewed as bad in comparison to other well functioning governments...for such would seem like a fairy tap on the shoulder when compared to the methods a place that has no government would use.

Wherever government doesn't function:
- corruption thrives to a degree many times greater than in functioning governments (decision makers get bought)
- there is no decent health system
- here is little to no welfare support
- there is no support for mental health
- there is usually only minimal educational services

Do you actually give thought to the nonsense you write? Or do you just chant slogans without substance that sound good in your own ears? Really if you want a place that doesn't have government - go live in Somalia of Afghanistan. Maybe try your hand in the mining communities in the Congo. I'm pretty sure you have enough money to get there.

But I bet you won't live by your professed claims. They are all just so much empty air.
Palandre
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2020 03:00 am
@maxdancona,
"Yes, exactly like government does."

That is an intersting one! using force fear to reduce force and fear?!

Yeah make sense.
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Palandre
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2020 03:04 am
@vikorr,
again , all these things you mentioned could be made, and even better, without government.

Giving examples where there is no force and fear (but that is debatable),
doesn't say anything.

Let put it this way.

Do you think 'government' is allowed to use force & fear? And if so why?
( I assume it is not debatable that 'government' uses force & fear.)
Palandre
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2020 03:07 am
@vikorr,
"But I bet you won't live by your professed claims. They are all just so much empty air."

Bet eh?! You really have literally no clue who I am, yet here you are telling to be ready to make a bet. Don't you see the stupidty of that?

and no, it is not empty air and you should know if you know me, but, as I wrote, you don't. So please stop the stupidity.
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Palandre
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2020 03:09 am
On another note, the 'police' is a part of the 'government' and the 'police' is wrong by definition. And most of them are ruthless thugs, anyway.
So, if 'government' is away (it WILL happen), the police is out of the way.
That must be a relief. Now 'police officers' have to find a real job, but they probably can't handle that very good, because they are used to follow stupid orders.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2020 06:02 am
@Palandre,
Palandre wrote:

On another note, the 'police' is a part of the 'government' and the 'police' is wrong by definition. And most of them are ruthless thugs, anyway.
So, if 'government' is away (it WILL happen), the police is out of the way.
That must be a relief. Now 'police officers' have to find a real job, but they probably can't handle that very good, because they are used to follow stupid orders.


Are you kidding .... the police will have a job. They will work for me. And, they will follow my stupid orders.

You see, when there is no government, I am going to grab some important resource... I am thinking water (but it could be any important controllable resource). I am going to make sure that I have all water is in my control. That way everyone else will have to come to me and do what I say.

With the water... I can get all of the other resources I need. Of course, I will need weapons for my police, and I will trade water for them. I will also trade for food and luxuries that I will give to my police employees.

I will also maintain a harem of young women and my pleasure. They will work for me because I have all of the guns and the water and the food. I will, of course, make their lives comfortable and ensure that their families and people they care about are safe. So they will work for me and they will even appear to be happy (although technically they will have no other choice then to do whatever I say).

And the young women can be used to keep the police loyal to me... the police will do whatever I say with the weapons I give them. This will be important, because I can't let everyone do this. If anyone else tries to control a resource or build an armed force... I will need to kill them and their families and their dog, I can't let other people think they can do whatever they want.

So yes... the police will have a very important job, and I will treat them very well.
Palandre
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2020 07:56 am
@maxdancona,
Well, no, because we will have private companies working for us, the people,.you see. You made the faulty assumption there wouldn't be anything.
And the police, as I wrote, is , by definition, wrong and immoral.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2020 08:41 am
@Palandre,
You think that private companies are going to be working for you? That is sweet and naive and a little funny. But I don't think you understand how companies work.

These companies are going to have zero regulation. They can literally kill problem employees with no consequences. They will likely have to treat skilled (i.e. educated) employees with some respect... they will need them. But even a skilled employee who asks too many troublesome questions can have an unfortunate "accident". Who is going to investigate?

The normal uneducated employees will become even more disposable with no penalty if they simply disappear. They will be completely replaceable.

Of course, companies will be run by people. And, these people are going to need to have power. I have already said my company is going to control all of the water.

Any other company is going to have to come to me or they will literally die of thirst.
Palandre
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2020 08:56 am
@maxdancona,
then they won't get paid.

It is really much easier then you think.

The 'police' now is being paid(by theft) , and is very immorral by default.

So..
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2020 09:05 am
@Palandre,
Palandre wrote:

then they won't get paid.

It is really much easier then you think.

The 'police' now is being paid(by theft) , and is very immorral by default.

So..


Who won't get paid?

I own Max's Water Company, I control the water. I pay the police. They work for me and they do I what I say. I promise you, Max's private police force will be paid very well and armed very well. As far as morality? I pay them, so I get to decide what their morality is.

Hmmm... with no government, there won't be any government currency (dollars will be worthless). However... Max's Water Company will give you a piece of paper that you can exchange for Water, or for a prostitute for a night (remember I also control a harem of young girls).

People who don't want a prostitute can, of course, exchange these slips of paper to other people who do... and a Max Water certificate (which I will print in convenient smaller denominations) can be used to buy milk, or a new sweater.
Palandre
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2020 09:35 am
@maxdancona,
what bollocks.

It is all been figured out,

Really, with government in a country we have a criminal organisation in the country. So, without we really are way better of.

And it can be done:


https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41GIMrHTGTL._SX330_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

But even that is not the point.

The point is, where does 'government' get his authority from to use force and fear? Because of that, 'government' is IMMORAL.Hence without an immoral 'government' we are way better of.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2020 09:41 am
I think there is more than one member of a mental institution posting on the political foram.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2020 09:45 am
@Palandre,
If it has been figured out... please explain

When the government is taken away, I am going to grab power, arm my own private police force and start Max's Water Company with my harem of young girls.

I will be free to do so because there will be no government stopping me.

Are you saying that Max's Water Company will be better than the government we have now?

... because I think I agree with you (the government doesn't let me have a harem of young girls).
Palandre
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2020 10:58 am
@maxdancona,
If it has been figured out... please explain

What? Read the book I posted!

RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2020 01:55 pm
@Palandre,
If you write a book with the postulate that socialism is good its easy to prove that socialism is the best form of government. But that don't mean its true.
vikorr
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2020 05:05 pm
@Palandre,
So no argument against anything I said - the rest is still empty air.
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Palandre
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2020 09:06 pm
@RABEL222,
lol


How stupid can one go??

then don't read the book.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2020 12:37 am
I once lived for a while in a place out of reach of any government, deep in the Hindu Kush. I must admit there's a great feeling, an exhilaration, in living a more natural life without this supercomplex aparatus called "the State" watching down on you.

There's a price to pay for living in the neolithic though: it's hard to defend yourself when a nearby country -- modern, structured, equiped with a functional state and a standing army -- decides to invade your land.

That's why these types of societies can survive only in places physically hard to reach, like deep in the Hindu Kush,
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Real Music
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2020 12:48 am
Robert Reich: The Dangerous Myth of Deregulation

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