@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:
Quote:I just don't understand why you, and later Neptuneblue, demonized me for suggesting yoga if someone is actively doing exercise indoors. I think you must have assumed I meant some kind of elaborate sequence of strenuous poses instead of what I really meant, which was to just find some indoor activities that work for you to stretch and get proper circulation.
I think demonize is a bit of an exaggeration - but suggesting doing any sort of exercise for someone that is told NOT to exercise by their surgeon which was made clear in the post - is just plain old stupid at best, harmful at worst if the person receiving the advice is very naivee.
You are thinking that advice has to cater to your personal situation, but that is why you have a surgeon, therapist, etc. to advise you professionally. When you discuss things on internet, it is just general discussion. When someone mentions yoga or other exercise, that is just a suggestion you might not take; like if someone suggests eating nuts for protein and you are allergic to nuts, you don't take their advice and then accuse them of being irresponsible for suggesting nuts to you when you are allergic.
Quote:Neither one of us called you a demon - maybe a stupid person or ill informed but being ignorant does not equate to a demon.
'Demonize' is a general word that means you are making someone out to be bad. You don't even have to think in terms of 'demons' to demonize people. 'Demon' is just in the root of the word.
Quote:You whine and say you demonize me when someone points out you made a dumb remark - Please if anyone thinks suggesting one to exercise when they are specifically told to bed rest after surgery - please let me know if you do not agree this is a dumb suggestion...I sincerely believe that any reasonable person would agree this is just plain old dumb to say.
What I want to know is what exercise she is doing that is safer than yoga. I know there are yoga poses that would be bad for certain injuries, but if you avoid those, I don't see why yoga would be worse than any other kind of exercise/stretching.
Quote:However, you will directly tell people they are uncaring and risking other people's health and so forth without a thought.
Why would you take that personally? That is just a fact. We are all potential vectors for viruses and other pathogens. Humans have bodies, just like pangolins, bats, and mosquitoes. Is in uncaring to compare a human body to a pangolin's? In one frame of mind, it might seem that way, but from a pathogen's POV, they are both just opportunities to gestate and spread.
Quote:Just because one business is important to another person does not make it less valuable as a whole. I went out yesterday and did curbside grooming for my dog - he does not shed and thus need regular grooming. Some people may think this is not needed and unnecessary but it is part of owning a dog and ensuring its health - some people may consider even having a pet unnecessarily so why should pet stores even be open?
Pets have needs, just like humans. If you can't groom your own dog, and the dog truly needs grooming for its health, then you would have to try to find a way to get the dog groomed, rather than let its health deteriorate, if you can. I don't find it that difficult to weigh risks vs. needs because I don't rationalize things as needs that are not truly necessary. There are some things that are acceptable risks, but if too many people deem too many things acceptable risks, it increases the level of exposure to unnecessary levels. It's about people policing themselves instead of looking for excuses to 'get back to normal' as much as possible.
Quote:People are all different - so what is of high importance to one - may not be of high importance to another.
Hopefully you realize that some people try to rationalize things they don't need by deeming them 'of high importance.' The question is whether needs and risk-prevention should trump wants. It is hard because we are relying on people to police themselves by honestly trying to reduce their exposure as much as they can.
Obviously people are not going to just stock up on a year's worth of canned food and avoid leaving their houses for one or more years, but when they are making choices about going out, they can do so in a way that minimizes risk and yet still gives them an outlet for the need for exercise and fresh air.
Quote:I hope you do not go out and get your hair cut or go to the grocery store, or even walk outside - any of those could cause you to spread the virus and any of those there are alternatives. So I hope you never step out of your door or let anyone in. Because you can pretty much get anything you need by having things picked up or dropped at your doorstep.
If you even take one step out your door you are a hypocrite.
You calling me a hypocrite for going outside because you are angry I don't validate sports where people run around in close proximity chasing the same ball is false. You can go walk and do exercise outside, but social-distance and avoid clustering with the same bodies for extended time. If one person has an infection and you breathe a little of it, you may get immune to COVID19 without ever experiencing symptoms at all.
If, on the other hand, you are breathing around the same person for extended time and they have COVID19 (you may not even know it because they might not have symptoms yet), then you could get a heavy infection and end up hospitalized, and while you are contagious prior to showing symptoms, you are spreading it to others. That's why there is a difference between walking and shopping, etc. and spending longer periods of time in close proximity.
Maybe some studies will come out comparing infection severity for people who contracted it by extended contact vs. light exposure, but as of yet, I am just guessing based on what I've read/heard about some people testing positive without showing symptoms and others (e.g. first responders in NYC) getting death benefits for contracting it in the line-of-duty. How can a strong, healthy individual who is a first-responder die from a disease that someone else tests positive for without experiencing symptoms? I think it must depend on the level of exposure and viral-load communicated, but you can come up with your own theory if you think differently.
Quote:There is complete proof by just reading one of your posts.
You are just biased because you want people to agree with you that if sports are important to you, they're not risky. Everything is risky to some degree, so we are all choosing certain risks while avoiding others; but I just wanted to be clear about the risk poses by people playing team sports where they are running and breathing heavily within close proximity because they are clustering around a ball.
Surely you can't argue about the basic physics of breathing heavily in a cluster of multiple individuals fighting over a ball, can you?
