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O'Connor to Retire From Supreme Court

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2005 12:17 pm
kelticwizard

Of course, that is baloney. Blacks, who vote overwhelmingly democrat (something on the order of 90%) are 800X more likely to have their votes uncounted as are whites. Vote suppression is a first drawer Rove technique for winning elections and the technique is explicitly taught at Republican training activist training camps. Here's something helpful.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/3956129.stm
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2005 12:44 pm
Obviously we are all speculating on how this will play out. Many conservatives are gleeful at the prospect of shifting the court severely to the right. Liberals (such as johnboy) are apprehensive. I may be whistling while walking throught the graveyard but...
(1) Keltic wrote that (paraphrasing) the Dems could avoid a fight by allowing the Rehnquist seat to go to someone of his likemindedness in exhange for a moderate conservative to replace O'Connor;
(2) TTF opined that (again, paraphrasing) Bush may have no concern for public opinion but a lot of Repub presidential wannabes do. They may not be too eager for this battle;
(3) There are social conservatives concerned with Roe, and gays, and the 10 commandments, etc. But a key group of support for the party comes from business, which has an entirely different agenda. With that in mind, the O'Connor seat nominee could be someone who does not have a record in the social conservative arena.
Thanks, justwonders for the links to the names and bios. So many are around the age of 50-55. One of my employees (21, too young to remember Bork or Thomas) asked me why this was such a big deal, and potentially, such a brutal fight. My answer was that O'Connor (75) was appointed 24 years ago. Her replacement could last for a quarter of a century. That made an impact.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2005 12:46 pm
No question that suppressing the black vote is Republican tradition stretching back years.

In fact, when Rehnquist was first nominated for the Supreme Court, it came out that he did the same thing in Arizona. As a Republican party activist located at the polls, he would walk up to any blacks coming to vote and demand to see credentials, etc. Basically, he was there to give them a hassle.

He denied that it was racially motivated, but there were statements that it was on the agenda for Republican party poll workers to do just that, and, as I recall, at least one witness who recalls Rehnquist stopping black voters especially.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2005 12:51 pm
And your source KW? And how can you lefties and semi-lefties just ignore proof that the Dems are targeting any Bush appointees that might be impressive to their minority base?
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2005 12:53 pm
How about that company in Florida which was hired by Jeb Bush to do "research" on voters. All they did was to give a list of felons-who are ineligible to vote unless they get reinstated-to the districts. However, on that list were many people who WERE eligible to vote.

The company said that they just made up a "preliminary" list for the districts to investigate, but in point of fact, the districts had neither the funding nor the manpower to check out that list. Since it was endorsed by the Florida State government, many districts simply regarded it as a list which the state government had ALREADY checked out and therefore prevented people who were eligible from voting-because their name was on that "preliminary" list.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2005 12:55 pm
Quote:
Practical Voice for Partisan Times

By E. J. Dionne Jr.

Saturday, July 2, 2005; Page A29

Barely an hour after Justice Sandra Day O'Connor had announced her resignation from the Supreme Court yesterday, the goal of all liberals and moderates was clear: To replace the retiring justice, President Bush should name someone just like her. From Democratic quarters, you could almost hear the orchestrated shouts of "We love Sandra."

It's odd that O'Connor, in an instant, became a liberal hero. In many ways, she is the most profoundly conservative justice on the court. Cass Sunstein, a law professor at the University of Chicago, noted that she is a particular kind of conservative, an implicit follower of the philosopher Edmund Burke, "someone who likes tradition, respects incremental change, doesn't like revolution."


But the Burkean disposition is not what animates the political movement that now flies under the colors of conservatism. The judicial right is seeking anything but continuity. It wants a revolution of its own -- or perhaps a counterrevolution. And unlike O'Connor, who liked her decisions very particular, the new conservatives love sweeping abstractions. To them, a case-by-case approach is as unprincipled as it is unexciting...

In the days of far-reaching decisions by the liberal Warren court, this measured approach might have identified O'Connor as the conservative she actually is. But all the sweep now is on the right. There is not simply an eagerness to strike down precedent, notably Roe v. Wade . There is also -- in what has come to be known as the movement for "the Constitution in Exile" -- a desire to roll back most of the developments in jurisprudence since the early 1930s. This movement would strike down the regulatory state created during and since the New Deal.

The danger for moderates and liberals is not the end of liberal judicial activism -- those days are over -- but the onset of a new era of conservative judicial activism. You'll never know it in the commotion of the coming months, but the O'Connor succession fight is not primarily over Roe . The real battle is over whether new conservative judges will roll back the ability of elected officials to legislate in areas such as affirmative action, environmental regulation, campaign finance, and disability and labor rights.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/01/AR2005070101787.html
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2005 12:56 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
And your source KW?


Oh come on. It was all over the papers when Rehnquist got nominated!

Do we need a source when simple memory should serve?
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2005 01:00 pm
I'll post this in full (sorry) because it ought to sit here quite explicitly and easy to reference...

Quote:
Cases in Which Sandra Day O'Connor Cast the Decisive Vote

July 1, 2005
KEY RULINGS
Sandra Day O'Connor

O'Connor Replacement Could Roll Back Vital Civil Liberties Protections

Sandra Day O'Connor has been the deciding vote in many important Supreme Court decisions affecting civil rights, environmental protection, personal privacy, voting rights, protection against discrimination and more. If she is replaced by someone who doesn't share her fair and impartial perspective, these are among the key 5-4 decisions in danger of being overturned:

Grutter v. Bollinger (2003) affirmed the right of state colleges and universities to use affirmative action in their admissions policies to increase educational opportunities for minorities and promote racial diversity on campus.

Alaska Department of Environmental Conservation v. EPA (2004) said the Environmental Protection Agency could step in and take action to reduce air pollution under the Clean Air Act when a state conservation agency fails to act.

Rush Prudential HMO, Inc. v. Moran (2002) upheld state laws giving people the right to a second doctor's opinion if their HMOs tried to deny them treatment.

Hunt v. Cromartie (2001) affirmed the right of state legislators to take race into account to secure minority voting rights in redistricting.

Tennessee v. Lane (2004) upheld the constitutionality of Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act and required that courtrooms be physically accessible to the disabled.

Hibbs v. Winn (2004) subjected discriminatory and unconstitutional state tax laws to review by the federal judiciary.

Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) told the government it could not indefinitely detain an immigrant who was under final order of removal even if no other country would accept that person.

Brentwood Academy v. Tennessee Secondary School Athletic Association (2001) affirmed that civil rights laws apply to associations regulating interscholastic sports.

Lee v. Weisman (1992) continued the tradition of government neutrality toward religion, finding that government-sponsored prayer is unacceptable at graduations and other public school events.

Brown v. Legal Foundation of Washington (2003) maintained a key source of funding for legal assistance for the poor.

Morse v. Republican Party of Virginia PDF (1996) said key anti-discrimination provisions of the Voting Rights Act apply to political conventions that choose party candidates.

Federal Election Commission v. Colorado Republican Federal Campaign Committee PDF (2001) upheld laws that limit political party expenditures that are coordinated with a candidate and seek to evade campaign contribution limits.

McConnell v. Federal Election Commission PDF (2003) upheld most of the landmark McCain-Feingold campaign finance law, including its ban on political parties' use of unlimited soft money contributions.

Stenberg v. Carhart (2000) overturned a state ban on so-called partial birth abortion, legal analysis

McCreary County v. ACLU of Kentucky (2005) upheld the principle of government neutrality towards religion and ruled unconstitutional Ten Commandments displays in several courthouses. Some of the strongest language came from Justice Sandra Day O'Connor's concurrence with the 5-4 majority, in which she said: "Those who would renegotiate the boundaries between church and state must therefore answer a difficult question: Why would we trade a system that has served us so well for one that has served others so poorly?"

"When the government associates one set of religious beliefs with the state and identifies nonadherents as outsiders," Justice O'Connor wrote, "it encroaches upon the individual's decision about whether and how to worshipÂ…Allowing government to be a potential mouthpiece for competing religious ideas risks the sort of division that might easily spill over into suppression of rival beliefs."

Justice O'Connor's words echo her opinion in Lynch v. Donnelly , in which she observed that state endorsement of religion "sends a message to non-adherents that they are outsiders, not full members of the political community."

OTHER NOTABLE RULINGS

RELIGIOUS LIBERTY
ACLU Urges High Court to Reject Texas School's "One Vote, One Prayer" Policy at Football Games
Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, a Reagan appointee, wrote that state endorsement of religion, "sends a message to non-adherents that they are outsiders, not full members of the political community."

GAY EQUALITY
U.S. Supreme Court Limits Government Ability to Interfere with Parents' Child-Rearing Decisions
The ruling included a four-justice plurality, authored by Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, as well as two separate concurring opinions

Supreme Court Strikes Down Texas Law Against Same-Sex "Sodomy," Signaling New Era for Gay Rights was a civil rights triumph and a watershed in the history of gay rights in this country. Under the Texas sodomy statute that the Court has now declared unconstitutional, only same-sex couples faced imprisonment for private acts of sexual intimacy. In a broadly worded decision expounding on the meaning of personal liberty under the Constitution, the Court both expanded the privacy rights of all Americans and promoted the right of lesbians and gay men to equal treatment under the law.

FREE SPEECH
ACLU Claims Free Speech Victory in Texas; Displaying Political Posters is Now Legal
In 1994, the U.S. Supreme Court noted that residential signs have long been an important and distinct form of expression that enjoys the highest level of constitutional protection. At that time, Justice Sandra Day O'Connor wrote "with rare exceptions, content discrimination in regulations on the speech of private citizens on private property is presumptively impermissible."

WAR ON TERROR
Supreme Court Says Courts Can Review Bush Administration Actions in Terrorism Fight
Writing for an 8-1 majority in the case of American-born detainee Yaser Esam Hamdi, Justice Sandra Day O'Connor said the Court has "made clear that a state of war is not a blank check for the president when it comes to the rights of the nation's citizens." Four of the Justices (Souter, Ginsburg, Scalia and Stevens) said that they would go further and order Hamdi's immediate release, and Justice Souter in particular said that holding Hamdi incommunicado is a violation of the Geneva Conventions.

RACIAL EQUALITY
Two Supreme Court Rulings Expand Police Powers and Limit Civil Rights Enforcement
In the dissenting opinion Justice Sandra Day O'Connor wrote, "as the recent debate over racial profiling demonstrates all too clearly, a relatively minor traffic infraction may often serve as an excuse for stopping and harassing an individual."

ACLU Applauds High Court Decision Permitting Race As a Factor in Drawing Congressional Districts
The key to this case was Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, who had previously ruled against the district and whose vote tipped the balance in favor of the district.

DRUG POLICY
Setting Limits on Drug War Tactics, High Court Rejects Drug Roadblocks
In an opinion written for the 6-3 majority, Justice Sandra Day O'Connor said that the reasoning behind the Indianapolis roadblocks -- chiefly that the benefit to the public outweighs the inconvenience -- cannot justify the use of unconstitutional methods by the police.

"If this case were to rest on such a high level of generality, there would be little check on the authorities' ability to construct roadblocks for almost any conceivable law enforcement purpose,'' the opinion said.
http://www.aclu.org/court/court.cfm?ID=18623&c=286
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2005 01:00 pm
KW, the Democrats accuse the GOP of many things. The GOP accuses the Democrats of many things. Shall we accept all of those accusations that make it into the newspapers as fact? Or just those that fit with our particular agenda? I provided you credible support for my accusation. Let's see you provide credible support for yours.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2005 01:03 pm
P.S. We can do this despite somebody spamming the thread with unrelated stuff.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2005 01:04 pm
Okay, this is an excerpt from Dershowitz' book, on a partisan website, but I include it just to show that the issue did exist.

Dershowitz wrote:

Several witnesses have stated under oath that Justice Rehnquist harassed minority voters during the early 1960's. Justice Rehnquist denies he harassed minority voters. James Brosnahan, a former assistant U.S. attorney in Phoenix from 1961 to 1963, said in a statement delivered to Congress that on election day in 1962, he and several assistant U.S. attorneys were assigned the task of receiving complaints alleging illegal interference with the voting process. The group received several complaints from precincts in South Phoenix. The precincts were predominately black and Hispanic. The complaints involved Justice Rehnquist. Broshnahan visited one of the precincts. When he arrived he saw Justice Rehnquist. There were reports that poll watchers had to physically push Rehnquist out of polling places to stop him from interfering with the voting rights of the minority citizens.




Alan Dershowitz, Supreme Injustice, Oxford University Press, 2001, pp. 242 - 244 n. 37


It was all over the news back when Rehnquist was first nominated. I would have to go back years before news was posted on the internet to get regular news source-I don't think CNN was even in existence when Rehnquist got nominated.

Really, you should have remembered.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2005 01:06 pm
Well the Democrat memo I cited was pretty recent and pertains to the immediate issue. And you are still ignoring it. Smile
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2005 01:12 pm
sozobe wrote:
A brief thought -- I don't actually believe it, but it was cheering for the minute that I did... maybe O'Connor believes that the next president will be a Democrat/ liberal, and that with the inevitable delays in the confirmation process for her successor, now is about her last chance to have herself replaced with a conservative for the next 10 years or so. (Delays + at least two terms of the next president.) And while she seems to be a hale and hearty 75-y-o, she might not want to hang on 'til 85.

As I said, I don't really believe it.


Her husband has advanced Alzheimer's and she wants to spend time with him.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2005 01:18 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Well the Democrat memo I cited was pretty recent and pertains to the immediate issue. And you are still ignoring it. Smile


Just as Clarence Thomas pertains to the immediate issue and YOU are ignoring it.

Clarence Thomas set the formula for most of these nominations: get a minority person with extreme conservative views-fairly slim pickings there, but they are around-put them up for nomination whether they are qualified or not, then have the Republicans scream that they are the champions of minority rights when the record of these people is questioned.

If Clarence Thomas were not a black conservative, there is no way he gets nominated. Period. He was not qualified by reason of inexperience.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2005 01:24 pm
Heck-it didn't even have to be judicial experience in the case of Thomas.

If he had been a prominent Senator, or a prominent Governor, or anything to do with the law in any form, that would have counted. You don't have to be an appeals court judge, although that is who mostly gets selected.

But Thomas didn't have any of the credentials. Neither a remarkable law career, or remarkable judicial career, or legislative career. Thomas didn't have ungots in the way of experience.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2005 01:28 pm
kelticwizard wrote:
No question that suppressing the black vote is Republican tradition stretching back years.


We're only supressing the votes of black people who've been paid off by the Democrat party--a LEGENDARY occurrence. We also suppress the votes of dead people and people who have already voted a couple of times in one election.

The Dem party just got busted for this recently....or hadn't you heard?

We'll continue to suppress those votes.

Fox is correct about the Dem's conundrum re attacking the wonderful diverse group of Republican nominees. They're starting to reveal a wide swath of discrimination through their ranks.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2005 01:31 pm
I disagree with your assessment of Clarence Thomas, KW. I have heard the man speak, and he is amazing. I have read some opinions he has written and they are lucid and coherant and on target. And I think he is at least on the short list to be the next Chief Justice. So your prejudice against him doesn't carry a lot of weight, nor does the anti-conservative bigotry that exists among many on the left including those of minority groups.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2005 01:33 pm
Lash -- that's the ONLY thing John "War Hero" Kerry got right in the last election....that there would be voter fraud LOL.

OT...anyone catch the news showing the PA dems hurling racial slurs around this week? Such tolerance Smile

Hehehe.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2005 01:37 pm
And you'll also continue to have outdated punch ballots in black areas of Florida, leading to massive tanking of black votes.

And you'll also continue to hire companies to distribute, under state paid auspices, lists of predominatly black people who MAY be ineligible to vote, and leave it to underfunded and understaffed voting precincts to investigate if the list is accurate-resulting in many of them simply accepting the list as one where all the voters on it were ineligible.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2005 01:39 pm
Well I'll give you this KW. You and Blatham are consistent in changing the subject whenever it becomes the least bit uncomfortable. Smile

By all means start a thread on these different subjects. I think you'll not be able to make your point there either, but you'll no doubt lure in a few to duke it out with you.
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