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War With Iran Has Begun...

 
 
au1929
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jun, 2005 02:52 pm
McG
The Iranians went to the polls and voted. As we in the US did. We do not like who the Iranians elected and the rest of the world does not like who we elected. But remember that is democracy. Embarrassed :wink:
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rayban1
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jun, 2005 03:37 pm
au1929 wrote:
McG
The Iranians went to the polls and voted. As we in the US did. We do not like who the Iranians elected and the rest of the world does not like who we elected. But remember that is democracy. Embarrassed :wink:


God.....how wrong can one guy get........the difference is.......the people of Iran did not decide who the candidates were.........we did in our election. The grand council of wizards or some such bunch, decided who was on the ballot in Iran. Even my 8 yr old grandson understants the difference AU......I'm surprised you can't.

The Iranian election was very much like an election in Iraq when Saddam was in power except that he was the only candidate Laughing
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jun, 2005 04:36 pm
McGentrix wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
maybe the bush crowd would find the iranian elections more to their liking if the voters had dyed their fingers blue and run around wagging them for the cameras.


How long before Sharia completely destroys the popular movement in Iran? A year? Less? Any hopes Iranians had of trying to free themselves from the yokes of Islamic tyrany just went up in smoke.

Dyed fingers for democracy would have been great. Instead, we have more repressive Islamic law... Poor dumb slobs. I feel bad for them.


in a way i do to. but, as i mentioned elsewhere on the thread, the young people there don't sem to be very political. did ya happen to see nightline a few weeks ago when they interviewed a group of 6 or 7 young iranians ?

basically, there rap was "well, we have great jobs. plenty of money to by stuff with and we can do what we want as long as we don't get too political". jeeez...

they also interviewed a fellow that had been big in the movement to take iran in a more secular, democratic direction. he was absolutely baffled that the young people really. just couldn't care.

the persians i know here are either uninterested or really steamed.

but, iran had elections. the islamists won. they made their own bed dude. i wish it had gone otherwise, myself...
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jun, 2005 04:43 pm
rayban1 wrote:
au1929 wrote:
McG
The Iranians went to the polls and voted. As we in the US did. We do not like who the Iranians elected and the rest of the world does not like who we elected. But remember that is democracy. Embarrassed :wink:


God.....how wrong can one guy get........the difference is.......the people of Iran did not decide who the candidates were.........we did in our election. The grand council of wizards or some such bunch, decided who was on the ballot in Iran. Even my 8 yr old grandson understants the difference AU......I'm surprised you can't.

The Iranian election was very much like an election in Iraq when Saddam was in power except that he was the only candidate Laughing


well, they had khatami as a choice. certainly not a full on secualr leader, but not a complete hardliner either. the iranians could have voted for him again.

this might be of interest;

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TEHRAN (IRNA) -- President Mohammad Khatami said on Saturday that the president-elect is expected to respect democracy as great achievement of the Islamic Revolution.

He said in a statement after announcement of Interior Ministry about victory of Mahmud Ahmadinejad in the run-off election that the next president must respect what is experienced in Iran regardless of outcome of the polls.


tehrantimes.com
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rayban1
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jun, 2005 05:03 pm
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TEHRAN (IRNA) -- President Mohammad Khatami said on Saturday that the president-elect is expected to respect democracy as great achievement of the Islamic Revolution.

He said in a statement after announcement of Interior Ministry about victory of Mahmud Ahmadinejad in the run-off election that the next president must respect what is experienced in Iran regardless of outcome of the polls.


The Tehran Times is the Propaganda machine of the tyrannical Islamist Gov't and you have swallowed it hook line and sinker. Man when are you going to recognize the hypocracy in your posts which deny everything that is good in this country and apologize for everything that is bad in other countries

It is disturbing though when I hear of the apathy expressed by the youth of Iran.......I just really wonder what the truth is in that situation.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jun, 2005 05:40 pm
"........the difference is.......the people of Iran did not decide who the candidates were.........we did in our election."

We did not select our candidates for election. The party leaders chose who would run. I have never in my 69 years of my life in the US choose who would run for president. Never.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jun, 2005 05:41 pm
rayban1
Are you inferring that the Tehran Times is the Iranian equivalent to Fox news. Ask your grandson to explain to you why the hardliner won an overwhelming victory at the polls.
I would ask when was the US given the responsibility for approval of governments of foreign nations?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jun, 2005 05:45 pm
Not only approval, but removal of leaders we don't like. Regime change is now in the American lexicon.
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rayban1
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jun, 2005 05:46 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
"........the difference is.......the people of Iran did not decide who the candidates were.........we did in our election."

We did not select our candidates for election. The party leaders chose who would run. I have never in my 69 years of my life in the US choose who would run for president. Never.


Then you don't consider the primaries to be a valid selection process????
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au1929
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jun, 2005 05:56 pm
Rayban
The primary is similar to going to a Chinese restaurant. Select one from column A or B or-----.
The menu of course as prepared by the party bosses.
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rayban1
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jun, 2005 06:26 pm
au1929 wrote:
rayban1 Ask your grandson to explain to you why the hardliner won an overwhelming victory at the polls.


That is a very good question and one that I nor my grandson have a suitable answer.......I find it very disturbing just as I found the supposed apathy of Iranian youth, very disturbing.


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I would ask when was the US given the responsibility for approval of governments of foreign nations?


I suppose ever since we became the "de facto" policeman of the world by default.......in other words, no one else could or would. We are attempting to prevent the citizens of the world from becoming toast on any particular morning. All I can think of at this moment is: NO GOOD DEED EVER GOES UNPUNISHED

Why should we have to go in an uncover mass graves when we could have prevented the mass graves in the first place by incinerating the SOB that filled the mass graves.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jun, 2005 06:37 pm
rayban1
Is it your contention that the US is responsible for policing and imposing it's will on the world.
Adolf had a similar belief.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jun, 2005 06:53 pm
rayban1 wrote:
Man when are you going to recognize the hypocracy in your posts which deny everything that is good in this country and apologize for everything that is bad in other countries


he. mister attack dog. is there any particular reason why you have to be such a bomb thrower on every single occassion, or are you just another one of those folks that feels a need to flame the bejeezus out of anyone that doesn't bow and scrape at the name "bush" ?

get a grip.

i don't deny anything that's good in america, so save the "you hate america" crap. it's tired, trite and it ain't gonna cut it anymore.

conversely, i'm not gonna be a good little boy and ignore or overlook bad decisions the government makes. i didn't do that all the years that i voted republican, i didn't do it when i voted for clinton and i'm sure as hell not gonna do it for the keystone cops occupying the whitehouse now.

if you could take a minute from stickin' pins in your "liberal voodoo doll" collection and reread my post, you'll see that i didn't offer an opinion either way as to what the t-times printed. i said only, "this might be of interest". period.

the only opinions i offered where those of young iranians i heard interviewed, persians i know personally and my own.

if you can't work with that, too bad.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jun, 2005 06:55 pm
oh, and by the way... when and where did i "apologize" for another country's bad behavior???
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au1929
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jun, 2005 08:47 am
Iran's President-Elect Calls for Moderation



'Peaceful' Nuclear Rights Asserted

By Karl Vick
Washington Post Foreign Service
Monday, June 27, 2005; Page A12


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TEHRAN, June 26 -- Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the former militiaman and military commander who will be Iran's next president, moved to calm global concerns about his hard-line politics Sunday, vowing at a news conference to "avoid any extremism inside the government" and to pursue "a policy of moderation."

In his first extended remarks since his stunning landslide victory in the presidential runoff election Friday, Ahmadinejad told Iranian and foreign journalists that his views had been distorted by rivals in the bitter race, and that foreign policy decisions under his administration would continue to be reached by consensus.
Ahmadinejad repeated the longstanding government line on Iran's nuclear program, saying that as a party to the Non-Proliferation Treaty the country has the right to develop "peaceful nuclear technology."

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/26/AR2005062601029.html?referrer=email&referrer=email

The Iranians will play the game for as long as it suits them however in the long run they will do what they feel is in their best national interests. And there is not a damn thing we can do about it. With the exception of squealing like stuck pigs.
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squinney
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jun, 2005 09:10 am
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/06/26/iran.us/index.html

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Rumsfeld slams Iran's 'mock' elections
Israeli foreign minister calls vote a sign of 'radicalism'

Sunday, June 26, 2005; Posted: 4:50 p.m. EDT (20:50 GMT)


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Sunday called Iran's presidential election invalid and the winner "no friend of democracy."

Speaking on "Fox News Sunday," Rumsfeld said the Iranian government had paved the way for ultra-conservative Tehran mayor Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to win the post.

....Rafsanjani complained of fraud, alleging an illegal effort to weaken his candidacy. (Full story)

"By spending tens of billions from the people's treasury, they tried to destroy me and my family's reputation," he wrote. "The penalty for such injustice perpetuated against the county, the people and myself, will incur punishment in this world and the next."

An official with Iran's Interior Ministry also accused Iran's Guardian Council -- which runs the elections -- of fraud in the runoff vote. (Full story)

Rumsfeld said he does not "known much about" Ahmadinejad. "But he is no friend of democracy. He's no friend of freedom. He is a person who is very much supportive of the current ayatollahs, who are telling the people of that country how to live their lives."

"My guess is, over time, the young people and the women will find him, as well as his masters, unacceptable."



Is anyone else seeing the irony? Rolling Eyes
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jun, 2005 10:22 am
DTOM wrote:
if you could take a minute from stickin' pins in your "liberal voodoo doll" collection


You slay me.
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Atkins
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 11:23 am
rayban1 wrote:
au1929 wrote:
McG


God.....how wrong can one guy get........the difference is.......the people of Iran did not decide who the candidates were.........we did in our election. quote]

If you truly believe that you are more naive than you look.

Besides, there is nothing you would fear more than an open election.
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Atkins
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 11:24 am
au1929 wrote:
Rayban
The primary is similar to going to a Chinese restaurant. Select one from column A or B or-----.
The menu of course as prepared by the party bosses.


LOVE IT!
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squinney
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2005 04:58 pm
Update:

Quote:
Are we going to war with Iran?

Dan Plesch evaluates the evidence pointing towards a new conflict in the Middle East

Tuesday October 18, 2005


The Sunday Telegraph warned last weekend that the UN had a last chance to avert war with Iran and, at a meeting in London last week, the US ambassador to the UN, John Bolton, expressed his regret that any failure by the UN security council to deal with Iran would damage the security council's relevance, implying that the US would solve the problem on its own.
Only days before, the foreign secretary, Jack Straw, had dismissed military action as "inconceivable" while both the American president and his secretary of state had insisted war talk was not on the agenda. The UN's International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors have found that Iran has not, so far, broken its commitments under the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, although it has concealed activities before.

It appears that the UK and US have decided to raise the stakes in the confrontation with Iran. The two countries persuaded the IAEA board - including India - to overrule its inspectors, declare Iran in breach of the non-proliferation treaty (NPT) and say that Iran's activities could be examined by the UN security council. Critics of this political process point to the fact that India itself has developed nuclear weapons and refused to join the NPT, but has still voted that Iran is acting illegitimately. On the Iranian side there is also much belligerent talk and pop music now proudly speaks of the nuclear contribution to Iranian security.
The timing of the recent allegations about Iranian intervention in Iraq also appears to be significant. Ever since the US refused to...


Guardian Unlimited
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