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Hillary is Poison!

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 06:38 pm
What I read is you are acting as though I made some fus over the use of "niggardly".

I didn't.

You should amend your statement or apologize. You mischaracterized me.

I'd repent...or someone may wander by and drop a house on you.

<LOOK UP!!!>
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 06:53 pm
dlowan wrote:
What is the golden horseshoe?


Intrepid's location.
Cehnehdeh.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 06:57 pm
Aaaaaaaah.

You skeert me - I thought the golden arches had created a new strain of themselves.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 07:02 pm
ehBeth wrote:
Once you get over the border, the two parties are pretty much indistinguishable. Kinda like our PC's and Liberals used to be.


You know - that used to be so - but I think with the current right ideology there is now a more distinguishable difference - eg they are more happy to use war instead of money to empire build, which had become the modern way.

(Have you seen, BTW, the book "Confessions of an economic hitman"? I heard an interview with the author.)

I think the differences between our political parties are gonna be way clearer in Oz now, too - since the right have both houses of federal parliament. I know exactly what people mean by the Tweedledum/Tweedledee analogy - and I agree with it in many ways - but I think there ARE crucial differences - though, at least here, they have become smaller - with the "left" (if you can call our Labor Party that) occupying the middle ground - and the right moving further and further that way.

We would NEVER have seen armed thugs, with dogs, balaclavas and huge guns (and trained with commonwealth money in Dubai or some such place) used as part of a (failed) strategy to break the waterside workers' union under even our most right wing Labor government.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 07:13 pm
Australia really should admit their refusal of entry to all but white people.

I didn't know such a thing would be supported by a progressive community. Those O types never will admit their ...wrongness, though.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 07:19 pm
Lol!!!!!! Keep it up dear.

Do not let false information stand in your way, either!

Onwards, upwards, excelsior!



You are right! No non-whites in Oz! Send the buggers home! To China, Africa, Afghanistan, India, Taiwan, the Middle East, the USA, Indo-China, New Zealand, the Pacific Islands!
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 07:21 pm
Well, when I was in northern OZ 3 years ago I found it to be very similar to, say Alabama about 1959. But then again, when I was in Mississippi one year ago I found it to be very similar to, say Alabama about 1959.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 07:22 pm
Do not let false information stand in your way, either!

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Only fair to have the same rules as you do.

Why is it you don't have non-whites in Oz? Referendum?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 07:25 pm
Well, we have fake bomb detectors at all ports of immigration - they bounce anyone non white straight back into their planes and ships. Quite a ride I have heard.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 07:26 pm
The horshshoe is only golden if a large bladdered individual urinates. Otherwise, i is frigidly white.

Let's get to know the Great White South...

Nationality:
noun: Australian(s)
adjective: Australian
Ethnic groups:
Caucasian 92%, Asian 7%, aboriginal and other 1%
Religions:
Catholic 26.4%, Anglican 20.5%, other Christian 20.5%, Buddhist 1.9%, Muslim 1.5%, other 1.2%, unspecified 12.7%, none 15.3% (2001 Census)
Languages:
English 79.1%, Chinese 2.1%, Italian 1.9%, other 11.1%, unspecified 5.8% (2001 Census)



Are the Swedish more white? Let's take a look.

Do they admit colorful types? Unlike the Great White South?
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 07:29 pm
Ethnic groups:
indigenous population: Swedes and Finnish and Sami minorities; foreign-born or first-generation immigrants: Finns, Yugoslavs, Danes, Norwegians, Greeks, Turks

Everyone else posted percentages. Those uppity Swedes.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 07:34 pm
dyslexia wrote:
Well, when I was in northern OZ 3 years ago I found it to be very similar to, say Alabama about 1959. But then again, when I was in Mississippi one year ago I found it to be very similar to, say Alabama about 1959.



Lol - Queensland (and the NT kinda - mebbe that is mor elike your frontierish west?) was always our equivalent to your deep north.


It was partly kept that way by being run as a kind of fiefdom by a gang of thugs and benighted crooks, led by the awful and inimitable Jo Bjelke-Petersen (recently dead) - who kept his horrid hands on power by means of one of the most blatant and outrageous gerrymanders (called a Jo-mander) in our short but chequered political history.


He has faded into myth and joke to many southerners, who were not forced to live under his rule. He was a vandal and dictator - with a superficial charm and folksy ways and wit which amused the masses. For instance, he used to call speaking to the press "feeding the chooks!"


Under his rule, many unspeakable things were done - including banning street demonstrations.

I recall being in Brisbane when the Commonwealth games were on - and Jo relaxed his rules and pretended to be normal.

There was a HUGE Aboriginal land rights march which took advantage of the PR changes and the international media - the first in ages.

We were right behind the Aborigines, who were massed in front, of course - and everyone was scared that Jo's police thugs would be unable to recall their orders and would lay into us with their dogs and baton and horses.

We got to go back home - where racism was a gentler thing, and to a state which was then in the vanguard in social policy.


The aboriginal people had to stay.

Well, they didn't - but people generally LIKE their homes.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 07:37 pm
Lash wrote:
The horshshoe is only golden if a large bladdered individual urinates. Otherwise, i is frigidly white.

Let's get to know the Great White South...

Nationality:
noun: Australian(s)
adjective: Australian
Ethnic groups:
Caucasian 92%, Asian 7%, aboriginal and other 1%
Religions:
Catholic 26.4%, Anglican 20.5%, other Christian 20.5%, Buddhist 1.9%, Muslim 1.5%, other 1.2%, unspecified 12.7%, none 15.3% (2001 Census)
Languages:
English 79.1%, Chinese 2.1%, Italian 1.9%, other 11.1%, unspecified 5.8% (2001 Census)



Are the Swedish more white? Let's take a look.

Do they admit colorful types? Unlike the Great White South?


Damn - we let some in!!!!

Can we borrow the guards from Abu Ghraib, Afghanistan and Gitmo to beat the **** out of them and make them go away?
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 07:40 pm
Aaaaahh! Check out the bigotry on the Finns!

A Blond Nation, in a Bind on Immigrants

By Robert G. Kaiser
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, June 11, 2005; Page A12

HELSINKI -- Finland is Europe's most homogenous society, a nation of mostly blond ethnic Finns whose declining birthrate creates the classic 21st-century European dilemma: a fast-growing population of senior citizens whose promised benefits under a generous welfare state will soon be unaffordable.

To compensate for fewer Finnish births, the country could encourage foreigners to immigrate, a subject much discussed here. But like most of Europe, "Finland is allergic to immigration," in the words of Manuel Castells, the renowned Spanish-born sociologist who lives in the United States.



Children marked the end of the educational year last week at Arabia comprehensive school in Helsinki. The school was created for children of immigrant origin, which in Finland would include Russians and Swedes. (By Lucian Perkins -- The Washington Post)

Finland Diary

Robert G. Kaiser and Lucian Perkins toured Finland for Three weeks to explore why this rarely-noticed little country has the world's best education system, produces such talented musicians and architects and has more cell phones per capita than Japan or the United States.

Castells, a professor at the University of Southern California and a student of Finland since the mid-1990s, chided Finns at a seminar in Helsinki last week. "Either you make more babies," he told them, "or you make immigrants."

But that is easier said than done, as Castells quickly acknowledged. Finnish women, enjoying careers and other fruits of the relative gender equality here, "are on strike," he said, when it comes to bearing children in large numbers. As a result, Finland is "a small country with an endangered culture."

Altogether, immigrants constitute barely 2 percent of Finland's population of 5.2 million. There were 108,346 foreign-born residents at the end of 2004, according to government statistics. Of those, fewer than 25,000 were born in non-white countries whose residents would look conspicuous on the streets of Helsinki. Russians, Estonians and Swedes together represent more than 46,000 people.

The 4,700 Somali refugees in the country, by far the largest group of black people, get more attention in the local news media than all the other immigrants combined, according to Finns. The country continues to accept political asylum seekers -- it is now taking in a group of Montagnard hill people who fled Vietnam.

In principle, Finns often support the idea of immigration. In an interview, Eero Huovinen, the Lutheran bishop of Helsinki (Lutheranism is Finland's official religion), noted that the state had "been very careful, sometimes too much so," about immigration. But he added, "For human, moral and practical reasons, I think we have to take more people, people who are willing to work here."

Finland is the only major European country that has generated no far-right, anti-immigrant political party. Some Finns suggest that may be because their egalitarian Lutheran values simply won't tolerate an open appeal to racist sentiments, though they admit that such feelings exist.

Yet Finnish laws and regulations discourage immigration -- as do the difficulties of the Finnish language and the long, dark winters here. Nokia, often referred to as a "miracle" by Finns because it has become one of the world's high-tech success stories and a rich global company, has attracted an international workforce to fill some key positions, but in this and many other respects, it is a unique Finnish institution.

Finns don't really want to think about the fact that more immigration is going to be needed, said Jalsoon Ally, 28, an ethnic Pakistani who grew up in southern Africa and graduated from Smith College in Northampton, Mass. Ally is engaged to a Finn and is completing a graduate degree in international relations at Helsinki University. "I get the feeling that quite a lot of dallying is going on," she said. "And not much frank conversation. It's a kind of conscious blindness."

Ally has lived here for years, and speaks perfect Finnish, according to her Finnish friends. Because she has been living with her boyfriend for more than two years, she's "legally a spouse," she said. This has given her unusual access to Finnish life, and she is an attentive observer.

Finns will "most likely switch to English" when they meet her, Ally said, and are "always surprised" to learn she speaks Finnish well. Some of her Finnish friends were born here to immigrant parents, she said, and they share her frustration at that kind of response. "There's this very clear idea that if you look different, you can't be Finnish," she said, adding that these Finnish natives were often asked, "Where are you really from?"

Another immigrant with an interesting perspective on diversity in Finland is Ajay Meswani, a schoolteacher. The son of an American mother and an Indian father, he grew up in Philadelphia. He met his Finnish wife at a Danish teachers college where both were students, and they now have a son and a daughter born in Finland. Meswani has many kind things to say about the country, particularly its education system and social services. But he also makes clear that life can be hard here for someone who looks like him.

"There are so few immigrants in Finland, people aren't used to having foreigners around," he said in an interview. The consequences can be complicated. He regularly suffers what Americans would consider snubs, but he knows enough about the reticent, chilly Finnish personality to realize that at least some of these incidents can be entirely innocent.

When he started teaching art at a Helsinki primary school, he said, "I was completely put off by people's total lack of interest in me." On the first day, he walked into the teachers' room, where his new colleagues were carrying on a conversation. "No one stopped, my presence wasn't even acknowledged," he said. "It really made me angry. It was hard not to think it was deliberate -- but it really wasn't." This, he said, is the way Finns treat each other.

Whatever the motivation, the effect on Meswani is wearing. The only real friends he has here, he said, are friends of his wife, Riita. "The hardest thing for me is when I make an effort to greet someone and I get either a blank stare or a scowl. It has happened many times. It's very strange."

Finland is not monocultural. It was part of Sweden for centuries, and from 1809 to 1917, it was part of Russia. Both cultures left populations in Finland that have helped shaped the country's national identity. The Swedish minority, about 6 percent of the population, enjoys special protections, and Swedish remains the official second language. There is a long-standing Roma, or Gypsy, population, as well as an indigenous people in Lapland, in the far north, who call themselves Sami.

But in its 88-year history as an independent country, Finland has become remarkably homogenous. Many Finns believe this has helped the country repeatedly undertake substantial reforms that have altered life here in ways many other societies would have resisted. The Finns have done it, moreover, on the basis of a broad political consensus that still largely holds.

Guided by a widely accepted elite, Finland transformed itself from a backward rural nation into an industrial force in the 30 years after World War II, then remade itself again into a rich, high-tech powerhouse in the last 30 years. Finland is rated the least corrupt nation in the world by Transparency International, a Berlin-based international research group.

Castells, the sociologist, calls Finland's government "the most legitimate government in Europe," meaning it enjoys the highest degree of acceptance and deference from its people. That is one of the reasons, Finns say, that immigration is such a delicate issue. Opposition to it is widespread, by many accounts, but also muted.

"There are a lot of prejudices, unfortunately," against foreigners, said Risto Siilasmaa, 39, a software entrepreneur who runs an Internet security company. "We still live in a very isolated environment. That's going to take decades to change."
A Web site sponsored by the Finnish Ministry for Foreign Affairs ( http://www.virtual.finland.fi/ ) features an article on foreigners in Finland that includes the comment: "Negative attitudes and xenophobia among the main population towards foreigners are still present."

Ordinary people don't understand assertions by intellectuals and members of Finland's elite that immigration is necessary, "when we have 10 percent unemployment," said Miapetra Kumpula, a 33-year-old Social Democratic member of the Finnish Parliament. Officials say the unemployed tend to be aging workers who lack the skills for the new information-based jobs the country is creating.

Ten percent is the overall unemployment figure. But a government report this spring noted that unemployment among ethnic Finns was 9 percent, compared with 29 percent among immigrants. "A lot of highly trained immigrants have had to take menial jobs," if they could gets jobs at all.
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Interesting. We have been quite remiss in the lack of howling criticism of the Finns, eh?
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 07:45 pm
dlowan wrote:
Lash wrote:
The horshshoe is only golden if a large bladdered individual urinates. Otherwise, i is frigidly white.

Let's get to know the Great White South...

Nationality:
noun: Australian(s)
adjective: Australian
Ethnic groups:
Caucasian 92%, Asian 7%, aboriginal and other 1%
Religions:
Catholic 26.4%, Anglican 20.5%, other Christian 20.5%, Buddhist 1.9%, Muslim 1.5%, other 1.2%, unspecified 12.7%, none 15.3% (2001 Census)
Languages:
English 79.1%, Chinese 2.1%, Italian 1.9%, other 11.1%, unspecified 5.8% (2001 Census)



Are the Swedish more white? Let's take a look.

Do they admit colorful types? Unlike the Great White South?


Damn - we let some in!!!!

Can we borrow the guards from Abu Ghraib, Afghanistan and Gitmo to beat the **** out of them and make them go away?

You don't need to borrow any. You have your own horrid murderers and abusers. Actually, we are in short supply compared to you lily white types.

Weren't you created by the dregs of the world? Wasn't Oz a floating prison? Of course, it seems to be a good way to start up a country. After throwing out the colorful types, you have amassed quite a tidy sum.

Don't worry. We take them.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 08:30 pm
How many pages of ranting from Lash? Look back around page 17 or so, and we get this quote.

Lash wrote:
keltic, this is the Hillary is Poison thread.

Your charts are superfluous to the issue at hand....unless you can ind one to chart Clinton's Bimbo Eruptions....


Jon Stewart had this to say about the WH gang; "It's not that they live in a world of delusion, it's that they don't think C-Span has cameras".

Lash must think postings self destruct after 24 hours.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 09:13 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Let's see if I can straighten this out...

Be my guest.

McGentrix wrote:
Bush I started to lower un-employment during his tenure which allowed Clinton to keep it going down.

Wrong. Bush drove unemployment up, then partially-very partially-undid some of the damage. Unemployment was considerably higher when Bush left office than when he took over-therefore he gets no credit whatsoever for anything Clinton did.

It's like one quarterback starts the game, and throws four interception on his first four drives which the other team turns into touchdowns. On his fifth drive, he punts after three downs.

Now, if the second quarterback comes off the bench and throws five touchdown passes to win the game, does the first quarterback have the right to claim credit because he did NOT throw an interception his last drive?

No, that would be ridiculous. As ridiculous as trying to give Bush credit for Clinton's declining unemployment when Bush left unemployment HIGHER than when he first came in.

You can't get credit for someone else LOWERING something when you RAISED it. That's simple common sense.

What's wrong with you guys?
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 09:29 pm
See? Here's the chart once again. Now, where is unemployment when Bush I begins his term? 5.4%, that's where.

And where is unemployment when bush I ends his term? Over 7%.

Therefore, Bush in no way lowered unemployment. Bush raised unemployment. So you cannot say that Clinton continued bush's lowering of unemployment, since bush never lowered unemployment in the first place.

See? Bush raises unemployment, Clinton lowers unemployment.

If Bush was able to lower unemployment for Clinton, why the heck didn't he lower unemployment for himself, instead of raising it?

You people just seem to have this incredible difficulty grasping these simple concepts.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/kelticwizard100/BUnemploymentRateGreenspansTenure.gif
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 09:53 pm
JTT--

Can you come up with any possible reason for your posts?

Would you find somone else to focus your weird attention on? I'm not interested. Your continuous personal attention is akin to stalking. Is that your intention?
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 10:11 pm
Lash wrote:
JTT--

Can you come up with any possible reason for your posts?

Would you find somone else to focus your weird attention on? I'm not interested. Your continuous personal attention is akin to stalking. Is that your intention?


Absolutely, Lash, a number of good reasons. The incredible amount of hypocrisy and doublespeak that issues from you and others stand out.

Someone has to point it out, though I certainly am not taking all the credit. Others have done so frequently.

Don't flatter yourself about "stalking". It's actually rather difficult to keep track of just who this stuff comes from; could have been Lash, may have been Tico, might have been Chic or maybe gunga.

Now about your diversionary tactics in this posting. You were mighty hypocritical chastizing Keltic and then turning around and doing the same thing yourself. Waddya figure?

You did the same thing in the PBS thread. All your diversionary tactics were clearly laid out in front of you and you started a mini-war to obfuscate. Par for the course, Lash, par for the course.
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