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The Democrats Gloat Thread

 
 
BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 25 May, 2006 08:41 pm
Ticomaya- Sir-

I am very much afraid that Mr. Imposter does not know what he is talking about. In his frantic effort to denigrate the President of the United States, he places President Bush's Job Approval RAting at 29.

He is egregiously mistaken:

Note:

quote
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Diageo/Hotline RV 5/18-21/06 37 61 3 -24
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FOX/Opinion Dynamics RV 5/16-18/06 35 56 8 -21
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CBS 5/16-17/06 35 60 5 -25
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CNN 5/16-17/06 36 57 7 -21
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37, 35, 35 AND 36


A FAR CRY FROM "29"
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 26 May, 2006 06:22 am
BernardR wrote:
I am very much afraid that Mr. Imposter does not know what he is talking about. In his frantic effort to denigrate the President of the United States, he places President Bush's Job Approval RAting at 29.

He is egregiously mistaken:

<snip>

37, 35, 35 AND 36

A FAR CRY FROM "29"

I am guessing c.i. was referring to the recent CBS/NYT poll (held May 4-8). It asked respondents, "Is your opinion of George W. Bush favorable, not favorable, undecided, or haven't you heard enough about George W. Bush yet to have an opinion?". Only 29% answered "favourable", while 55% answered "not favourable".
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 26 May, 2006 06:27 am
Some more recent polls for this thread:

http://pollingreport.com/images/BUSHtrend.GIF

http://pollingreport.com/images/GALbtrend.GIF

http://pollingreport.com/images/ABCiraqworth.GIF

http://pollingreport.com/images/APbars.GIF

http://pollingreport.com/images/2006.GIF

http://pollingreport.com/images/GALparties.GIF
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BernardR
 
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Reply Sat 27 May, 2006 01:45 am
Mr.Nimh- I do appreciate your excellent information. They do verify my contention that Mr. Imposter's contribution of "29" was at least antiquated. I would hope that Mr. Imposter would attempt to stay on top of things. He has not done so. I do hope it is because the 29 figure was much more acceptable to his thesis than the 35, 36 and 37 levels.

If the 29 figure is accurate, and the figures provided by you are accurate, there is only one conclusion that can be drawn. President Bush improved his Job Approval rate from 29(May 4) to 33, 35, 36( your figures) in two weeks.

Why, at this rate,Nimh, he could be above sixty five by November!!!

I have followed polls for a long time, Mr. Nimh, and I find that the only poll which is decisive is the one held every two years.

My findings?

2000- Republican victory

2002- Republican victory

2004- Republilcan victory


We shall see what happens in 2006 !!!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 27 May, 2006 09:49 am
BernardR wrote:
My findings?

2000- Republican victory

2002- Republican victory

2004- Republilcan victory


We shall see what happens in 2006 !!!

Yes, by all means let's wait not only for November 2006 but also for 2008! Just because I used a CBS/NYT polls doesn't negate the poll numbers. Whether you realize it or not, poll numbers move, but the trend is downward for our presidential clown when observed for the longer term. Most of Bush's supporters are conservative neocons that refuse to see the damage perpetrated by Bush, while the rest of the country is finally waking up to the realities.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2006 12:03 am
LOL-when it gets to the point that Bush supporters are trying to BRAG that some polls show Bush as high as 37%, you know their ship is taking on water fast. Very Happy
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2006 05:52 am
Quote:
OBAMA IN '08?

Can a promising politician go to Washington and NOT make a run for president?


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By Jeff Zeleny
Washington Bureau
Published May 28, 2006


WASHINGTON -- The roster of aspiring presidential candidates seems to grow by the week here in the nation's capital, where the season of speculation and seduction is in full blossom.

Never mind that the urgent political matter for Republicans and Democrats is the fight for control of Congress, considering Election Day is less than six months away. These days, two questions rise above most others in the echo chamber: Who, exactly, is flirting with a bid for the White House and is Sen. Barack Obama among them?

It's a ritual that unfolds every four years, at this very time, when politicians openly dream, tease and ruminate about their presidential ambitions, knowing full well there is hardly a downside to such public conjecture. Among Democrats, the scurry is particularly intense.

But those who almost certainly are running--Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), for example--sidestep the question and insist they are focused on their own re-election campaigns. And those who most likely are not running seem content to simply bask in the renewed attention, such as former Vice President Al Gore, whose release of a documentary on global warming has spawned new gossip about his future.

There also are those who fall into another category entirely--the fresh-face, what-if-Clinton-fails, why-not-try-it category--which is where Obama, an Illinois Democrat, finds himself after serving less than 18 months in the Senate.

In recent weeks, Washington chatter about Obama eyeing the presidential race has increased. Leading Senate Democrats and party activists have privately urged him to consider a campaign, or at the very least, to leave the door open for a possible last-minute entry.

When asked about the chance of his name appearing on a 2008 ticket, Obama responded in an interview: "Ha, ha!" He quickly tried to change the subject, but when pressed for an answer, he said: "There are people who think I should make an announcement tomorrow that I'm running for the presidency."

So how does Obama respond to such flattery?

"I tell them," he said, "that I'm focusing on my job as a senator from Illinois."

That stock answer, however, does little to settle the question.

Absent a blood oath, perhaps, speculation is sure to swell among his admirers whose rationale for why he should run goes something like this: He doesn't carry baggage for voting for the Iraq war (he wasn't in the Senate at the time and he spoke against it during his campaign). He is 44 years old and by Election Day 2008, he will be 47, which is one year older than Bill Clinton was in 1992. His celebrity appeal, which will be demonstrated anew on a book tour that could last up to six months, exceeds any Democrat in the race except Sen. Clinton.

"He brings a level of excitement to the political debate, which is the envy of every elected official," said Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), the second-ranking Democrat in the Senate. "There is a need for Barack Obama's leadership in America. I have talked to him informally about this. I hope that he will seriously consider it."

But just as many supporters believe that now is not Obama's moment. They urge him to patiently build his knowledge on foreign policy and domestic issues to gain seasoning that could withstand the test of a presidential campaign. And, they said, waiting for another time would perhaps lessen pressures on his family, including his two young daughters.

The longer he waits, though, the more steeped in Washington he becomes. And history is not kind to those who seek the presidency from the Senate. Even after serving less than two years, he often takes pains to portray himself as a newcomer to the scene.

"I am not one of those people who grew up at the age of 7 thinking I was going to be president someday," he said in a speech earlier this month. "I sort of came through the back door into politics."


Full (online) report in today's Chicago Tribune
Phot from online version
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2006 10:57 am
This is only one example of what's happening to the republicans across the US:

Saturday May 27, 2006 OPINION
NEW YORK JOURNAL
Pataki too cautious to make endorsement

By Yancey Roy
ALBANY -- Reports say Gov. George E. Pataki will soon endorse Bill Weld to succeed him.

Don't hold your breath.

Pataki, eyeing a run for president, isn't likely to endorse anyone who isn't guaranteed of winning the GOP nomination. He probably won't risk being on the losing side.

Remember how his endorsement of Jeanine Pirro for the U.S. Senate blew up?

Further, Weld isn't a favorite of the conservative wing of the party that is so influential in presidential primaries. Nationally, backing Weld wouldn't go over so well -- unless the former Massachusetts governor seemed assured of beating GOP rival John Faso, a former assemblyman from Columbia County.

"I wouldn't expect (Pataki) to endorse Bill unless he had it all wrapped up," said one Republican insider.

Reports surfaced that Pataki would give Weld his blessing this week -- just days before the state GOP convention on Long Island. But Pataki quickly dismissed that notion.

"I have no current intention of doing that," the governor said.

That's not to say Republicans don't think Pataki is promoting Weld behind the scenes. That's the conclusion of many, despite Pataki's public denials.

Both parties will hold their nominating conventions next week. The Democrats will be in Buffalo; the Republicans on Long Island. Winning the convention merely means that the candidate will be the party's designee. Any candidate who gets 25 percent or more of the convention vote automatically qualifies for a party primary in September.

Also, a candidate failing to get 25 percent can still qualify for a primary by collecting 15,000 petition signatures around the state.

Faso, who has gained momentum by garnering the backing of Westchester and Suffolk counties, said this week he thinks Pataki is working against him.

"It is how I feel, but I can't really explain why it is happening," Faso said.

For months, Weld has had the backing of state GOP chairman Stephen Minarik, who has drawn some heat from rank-and-file members for pushing Weld so hard.

Pataki installed Minarik. And some in the party see it this way: whatever Minarik does, that's what Pataki wants. Minarik is out there making the case. Pataki stays on the sidelines.

Minarik says Weld not only has a track record as governor but also, as fiscal conservative-social liberal, can attract crossover voters from other parties.

That's the formula Pataki and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg have used to beat Democrats. Weld backers don't think Faso can attract Democratic or independent voters.

Democrats outnumber Republicans in New York 5.5 million to 3.1 million. Republicans face even tougher numbers in the polls. Surveys show Democrat frontrunner Eliot Spitzer about 50 percentage points ahead of either Weld or Faso. Even Tom Suozzi, a long shot to upset Spitzer for the Democratic nod, leads the Republicans by at least 25 points.

Polls also don't show Pataki in a particularly good light, either. Earlier this month, his approval ratings dipped to an all-time low.

Just 30 percent of those surveyed by Marist College said Pataki was doing a good or excellent job. Not only was that a low mark for Pataki but also it was the lowest approval rating for any governor in the 23-year history of the poll.

It's worth asking whether Pataki's endorsement has the weight it might have had last year and whether it's too late now to have an impact.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2006 07:59 am
Anatomy of a Republican
Anatomy of a Republican:

http://republicananatomy.cf.huffingtonpost.com/
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2006 10:42 am
"We're in the game now," said one leadership aide. "That's a big difference from a couple of months ago. Everything is in place for us to do very well. The ground is starting to shift around these Republicans, and we know it."
Official Democratic Party Leadership-Sanctioned Press Release: Democrats Anticipate Momentum - Feb 10, 2004
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BernardR
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2006 01:12 am
Mr. Walter Hinteler may be surprised to find that I do indeed agree with him- Senator Barack Obama should definitely run for President in 2008.

Here are the reasons:

l. As an African-American, his election would show the world that the USA has finally come around to giving African-Americans a full reparation for the horrible sins committed against them in the past. The persistence of "institutional racism" is obvious to every thinking commentator.

2. Barack Obama is a genius. Some know that he is not only a Harvard Law School Graduate( Harvard Law being the best Law School in America) but he was also the President of the Harvard Law Review. That, of course, means that he was also one of the most brilliant students in that prestigious Law School.

3. He comes from a diverse background--a background which would enable him to truly understand the problems of the world in which we live. Senator Obama is not only bi-racial( His father was a black man from Kenya and his mother a white woman from Kansas) he has experience in being trained for a couple of years in a Muslim school.

4. He appears to be completely incorruptable. He could have, of course, gone to work with a prestigious law firm and would have, by now, been making over a Million a year. He did not do so, preferring to serve his people in the Illinois Senate.


If the left wing ever gets over its worship of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, Senator Obama is the man America must get behind!!!
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2006 06:26 am
weaselly.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2006 08:44 am
Battle Hymn of the Republicans
Subject: Battle Hymn of the Republicans

Battle Hymn of the Republicans
(to the tune of the Battle Hymn of the Republic)

Mine Eyes have seen the bungling of that stumbling moron Bush;
He has blathered all the drivel that the neo-cons can push;
He has lost sight of all reason 'cause his head is up his tush;
The Doofus marches on.

I have heard him butcher syntax like a kindergarten fool;
There is warranted suspicion that he never went to school;
Should we fault him for the policies -- or is he just their tool?
The lies keep piling on.

Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'!
Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'!
Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'!
His wreckage will live on.

I have seen him cut the taxes of the billionaires' lone heir;
As he spends another zillion on an aircraft carrier;
Let the smokestacks keep polluting -- do we really need clean air?
The surplus is now gone.

Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'!
Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'!
Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'!
Your safety net is gone!

Now he's got a mighty hankerin' to bomb a prostrate state;
Though the whole world knows its crazy -- and the U.N. says to wait;
When he doesn't have the evidence, "We must prevaricate."
Diplomacy is done!

Oh, a trumped-up war is excellent; we have no moral bounds;
Should the reasons be disputed, we'll just make up other grounds;
Enraging several billions -- to his brainlessness redounds;
The Doofus marches on!

Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'!
Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'!
Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'!

THIS...DOO...FUS...MAR...CHES...ON
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jun, 2006 08:23 am
Bush Approval Rating Hits the 20s for First Time
Bush Approval Rating Hits the 20s for First Time
By E&P Staff
Published: May 11, 2006

President Bush's job approval rating has fallen to 29%, its lowest mark of his presidency, and down 6% in one month, according to a new Harris poll. And this was before Thursday's revelations about NSA phone surveillance.

Of 1,003 U.S. adults surveyed in a telephone poll, 29% think Mr. Bush is doing an "excellent or pretty good" job as president, down from 35% in April and 43% in January.

Roughly one-quarter of U.S. adults say "things in the country are going in the right direction," while 69% say "things have pretty seriously gotten off on the wrong track."

Some 28% of Americans said they consider Iraq to be one of the top two most important issues the government should address, up from 23% in April. Interest has faded slightly in the immigration issue.

Other recent major polls have pegged Bush's approval rating from 31% to 37%.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jun, 2006 12:35 am
I am afraid that Mr. Bumble Bee Boogie has not kept up with the latest polling. The prestigious polling organization Rasmussen Reports gives President Bush a 42% Job Approval Rating as of yesterday.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jun, 2006 01:00 am
Hmm, interesting figures by the Rasmussen Reports, indeed a president, who's highly approved by ALL Americans!

Quote:
The President earns favorable reviews from 76% of Republicans, 18% of Democrats, and 35% of those not affiliated with either major political party.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jun, 2006 05:08 am
Latest non-daily poll out on George Bush's job approval is the Quinnipiac one:

Quinnipiac
5/23-30/06

35% Approve
58% Disapprove

More here:

Quote:
June 1, 2006 - Bush Tops List As U.S. Voters Name Worst President, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Reagan, Clinton Top List As Best In 61 Years

Strong Democratic sentiment pushes President George W. Bush to the top of the list when American voters pick the worst U.S. President in the last 61 years. Bush is named by 34 percent of voters, followed by Richard Nixon at 17 percent and Bill Clinton at 16 percent, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released today. Leading the list for best President since 1945 is Ronald Reagan with 28 percent, and Clinton with 25 percent.

President Bush is ranked worst by 56 percent of Democrats, 35 percent of independent voters and 7 percent of Republicans, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll finds. Best ranking for Reagan comes from 56 percent of Republicans, 7 percent of Democrats and 25 percent of independent voters. Among American voters 18 - 29 years old, Clinton leads the "best" list with 40 percent.

Among young voters, 42 percent list Bush as worst. Clinton tops the "worst" list among white Protestants - 24 percent, and white evangelical Christians - 29 percent.

American voters disapprove 58 - 35 percent of the job Bush is doing, compared to 58 - 36 percent in a March 2 survey. Even voters in red states, where Bush's margin was more than 5 percent in 2004, disapprove 52 - 39 percent.

"Democrats just plain don't like President Bush. His father, the 41st President, was voted out of the White House after one term. Nixon quit under fire. But most Democrats think Bush 43 wins the worst-president race," said Maurice Carroll, Director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

"Kennedy and Truman get big Democratic votes, especially among Baby Boomers (45 - 64 years old) and seniors (over 65), but recent memory counts," Carroll said. "Democrats say Clinton's the best and Republicans say he's the worst. Republicans don't think much of Jimmy Carter either. There's no contest for the GOP favorite: It's the Gipper." [..]

A total of 38 percent of voters are "very satisfied" or "somewhat satisfied" with the way things are going in the nation today, while 62 percent are "somewhat dissatisfied" or "very dissatisfied," matching the previous satisfaction low point from March 2.

In an open-ended question, where respondents can give any answer, 16 percent of voters say the war in Iraq is the most important problem facing the U.S. today, down from 23 percent in March. Another 12 percent list economic issues and 11 percent list immigration, the first time this issued has hit double digits in a national poll.

American voters say 56 - 39 percent that going to war in Iraq was the wrong thing to do.

The U.S. should remove all troops from Iraq, 29 percent of voters say, with 28 percent who want the U.S. to decrease the number of troops; 26 percent who want to maintain current troop levels and 11 percent who want to increase troop levels.

From May 23 - 30, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,534 registered voters nationwide. The survey has a margin of error of +/- 2.5 percentage points.

The Quinnipiac University Poll, directed by Douglas Schwartz, Ph.D., conducts public opinion surveys in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Florida and nationwide as a public service and for research.

Code:
1. Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as President?


Wht
Wht Wht Evangl/BrnAgain
Tot Men Wom Prot Cath Christians

Approve 35% 40% 30% 50% 34% 58%
Disapprove 58 54 62 43 60 35
DK/NA 7 6 8 7 6 7

Rep Dem Ind Red Blue Purple

Approve 74% 8% 28% 39% 28% 34%
Disapprove 17 88 63 52 65 61
DK/NA 10 4 9 9 6 5


Code:3. In general, how satisfied are you with the way things are going in the nation today? Are you very satisfied, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied, or very dissatisfied?


Wht
Wht Wht Evangl/BrnAgain
Tot Men Wom Prot Cath Christians

Very satisfied 6% 6% 5% 6% 5% 7%
Smwht satisfied 32 33 30 40 30 43
Smwht dissatisfied 33 36 31 31 39 27
Very dissatisfied 29 24 33 23 26 21
DK/NA 1 1 1 1 - 2

Rep Dem Ind Red Blue Purple

Very satisfied 10% 2% 4% 7% 5% 6%
Smwht satisfied 52 17 30 36 28 30
Smwht dissatisfied 28 35 37 31 37 31
Very dissatisfied 9 45 28 26 30 34
DK/NA 1 - 1 1 1 -



Code:10. Do you think going to war with Iraq was the right thing for the United States to do or the wrong thing?


Wht
Wht Wht Evangl/BrnAgain
Tot Men Wom Prot Cath Christians

Right thing 39% 44% 33% 52% 41% 61%
Wrong thing 56 52 60 43 55 34
DK/NA 5 3 7 5 4 6

Rep Dem Ind Red Blue Purple

Right thing 76% 13% 35% 43% 33% 37%
Wrong thing 18 83 61 51 61 59
DK/NA 6 4 5 6 6 4

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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jun, 2006 02:20 am
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I am afraid that Mr.Nimh has not kept up with the latest polling. The prestigious polling organization Rasmussen Reports gives President Bush a 42% Job Approval Rating as of Saturday.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jun, 2006 06:35 am
BernardR wrote:
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I am afraid that Mr.Nimh has not kept up with the latest polling. The prestigious polling organization Rasmussen Reports gives President Bush a 42% Job Approval Rating as of Saturday.

Yup, thats why I wrote: "Latest non-daily poll out on George Bush's job approval". The Rasmussen poll is daily (and is down a point to 41% again now).

You're sure hanging on to that one single poll for dear life, btw, how often have you quoted this one particular poll now? There's always a buncha polls going on, and some will venture out a bit up, and some a bit down compared to the average; better look at where the brunt of 'em is heading.

Currently, for example - see this summary table of all non-daily polls - all of the past month's job approval polls have it at 31-37% for Bush. Rasmussen is on his own, here.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jun, 2006 06:46 am
nimh wrote:
Currently, for example - see this summary table of all non-daily polls - all of the past month's job approval polls have it at 31-37% for Bush. Rasmussen is on his own, here.

Alternatively, you may prefer RealClearPolitics as a source, since it's a conservative website and includes the Rasmussen poll in its findings: see this overview of polls.

Its rolling average of the last five polls out currently has George Bush'a job approval at 36,6%, with disapproval at 58,4%.
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