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The Democrats Gloat Thread

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2005 02:49 pm
But then again, you're a war supporter, so who can expect you to get it?

Commonalities being what they are, and all.

Cycloptichorn
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Vietnamnurse
 
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Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2005 06:21 pm
Ahem...Mohammed El Baradai...IAEA Inspector of Nuclear Arms in Iraq that tried to prevent the Iraq War...Brilliant writer Harold Pinter...http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/article319540.ece
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2005 08:33 pm
VNN

Yes, I remember that 'exceptionalism' thread.

There's no joy that this administration and its supporters have been wrong about almost everything. Hubris has a predictable end and it is never a good end.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2005 11:45 pm
Vietnamnurse wrote:
Ahem...Mohammed El Baradai...IAEA Inspector of Nuclear Arms in Iraq that tried to prevent the Iraq War...


Exactly ... that was his primary qualification for the award, wasn't it? That and his frequent criticisms of the US?

Unless you count his successes with N. Korea and Iran, of course.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 15 Oct, 2005 01:11 am
Ticomaya wrote:

Exactly ... that was his primary qualification for the award, wasn't it? That and his frequent criticisms of the US?

Unless you count his successes with N. Korea and Iran, of course.


Well, either the media you read, listen or watched didn't report about that or you cannot cope the written word:

Quote:
The Nobel Peace Prize 2005
"for their efforts to prevent nuclear energy from being used for military purposes and to ensure that nuclear energy for peaceful purposes is used in the safest possible way"
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 15 Oct, 2005 08:13 am
Ticomaya wrote:
Vietnamnurse wrote:
Ahem...Mohammed El Baradai...IAEA Inspector of Nuclear Arms in Iraq that tried to prevent the Iraq War...


Exactly ... that was his primary qualification for the award, wasn't it? That and his frequent criticisms of the US?

Unless you count his successes with N. Korea and Iran, of course.


You know, tico, I think your take on the Nobel is exactly the way to go in this modern guns n roses american world. Let's just drop the whole idea of a peace prize. Peace is passe, it's boring, it's just nowhere for zesty corporate profits, and even worse, it's effeminate - hardly a reflection of the deepest american values. Peace is a weird nuts-chopped-off yanqui bastard child, like liberalism. Let's take it down to the river and bash it into a bloody pulp. You can use a chevy bumper.

What we need nowadays is a prize for war. Those wonderful folks in the petro-chemical scam have extra money presently and I'll hit them up to sponsor. The Mobil War Prize. I'm nominating you as first recipient. Prepare your acceptance speech.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 15 Oct, 2005 08:27 am
Gloria in altissimis Deo et in terra bellum in hominibus malae voluntatis , isn't that the mission statement which was given to any good Christian at Christ's birth? :wink:
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Vietnamnurse
 
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Reply Sat 15 Oct, 2005 02:09 pm
Blatham...I tried to PM you and do not understand why I can't do so...followed protocol and somehow because I have been away am not a member in "good standing". I wanted to PM BBB also. What do I have to do?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 15 Oct, 2005 02:22 pm
Vietnamnurse wrote:
What do I have to do?


Post like hell, until you get ... let's say something like 500 posts or so. :wink:

(This was changed several months ago.)
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Vietnamnurse
 
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Reply Sat 15 Oct, 2005 03:00 pm
Ability to PM
Thanks, Walter! I guess I better get going on posting and quit reading political blogs, eh? Laughing
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 15 Oct, 2005 03:17 pm
Gosh, I didn't even know that. Walter is a veritable fount of wisdom. But you can email me at bernielatham (followed by the digit 77) via the wonderful hotmail service.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sat 15 Oct, 2005 11:47 pm
Vietnamnurse:

Don't worry, same thing happened to me. Had the privilege, found I no longer had it when I returned.

I got it back when after a couple of months.

Apparently, politeness counts big when in the decision.

So you should have no troouble.

I have seen other posters, including some polite ones, who don't have the privilege despite thousands of posts, so apparently there are other considerations. Maybe they overused the privilege, or something.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 16 Oct, 2005 03:30 pm
blatham wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Vietnamnurse wrote:
Ahem...Mohammed El Baradai...IAEA Inspector of Nuclear Arms in Iraq that tried to prevent the Iraq War...


Exactly ... that was his primary qualification for the award, wasn't it? That and his frequent criticisms of the US?

Unless you count his successes with N. Korea and Iran, of course.


You know, tico, I think your take on the Nobel is exactly the way to go in this modern guns n roses american world. Let's just drop the whole idea of a peace prize. Peace is passe, it's boring, it's just nowhere for zesty corporate profits, and even worse, it's effeminate - hardly a reflection of the deepest american values. Peace is a weird nuts-chopped-off yanqui bastard child, like liberalism. Let's take it down to the river and bash it into a bloody pulp. You can use a chevy bumper.

What we need nowadays is a prize for war. Those wonderful folks in the petro-chemical scam have extra money presently and I'll hit them up to sponsor. The Mobil War Prize. I'm nominating you as first recipient. Prepare your acceptance speech.


Geez, aren't I in the running?

The Nobel War Prize. I like that.

The problem is that the same people who have awarded the Peace Prize would probably be in charge of deciding who gets the War Prize.

So we could have a very interesting situation where the winner of both prizes is the same person:

Yassir Arafat
Menachim Begin
Anwar Sadat
Henry Kissenger
Le Duc Tho
Mikhail Gorbachev
Woodrow Wilson
Teddy Roosevelt
And the UN a half dozen or so times

The Peace Prize is a noble (no pun intended) notion but it usually is awarded to the very people who began or extended wars in the first place for finally getting sick of fighting and coming to terms on peace, just about anyone who is in opposition to a Republican administration in Washington, and purveyors of causes (e.g The Environment) which trigger the pleasure response of Liberals.

Sure, they gotten it right a number of times, but should it really be so hard to get it right far more often than wrong?

Unfortunately, war is sometimes necessary, and someone who tries to stop a necessary war is not quite deserving of praise. Should Charles Lindburgh who urged that the US not involve itself in WWII have received the Peace Prize?

There have been, are, and will continue to be ugly brutes in the world who wish to dominate people by force of arms. There is rarely a peaceful way to stop such folks, as they tend to interpret overtures of peace as signs of weakness.

Without a doubt, no war is prosecuted with out heinous waste, shameful indulgences, and scandalous incompetence, but then the same can generally be said about peace efforts. The difference is there isn't quite as much immediate pooling of blood in the latter.

Peace is good; War is bad. If we could just get people like Tico and myself to understand this, what a wonderful world it would be!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 16 Oct, 2005 03:41 pm
Just a minor correction: the UN only got it once and had to share it with Kofi Annan, in 2001.

However, some hawky UN organisation got the prize:
1954 Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
1965 United Nations Children's Fund
1981 Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
1988 United Nations Peacekeeping Forces
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 16 Oct, 2005 03:55 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Just a minor correction: the UN only got it once and had to share it with Kofi Annan, in 2001.

However, some hawky UN organisation got the prize:
1954 Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
1965 United Nations Children's Fund
1981 Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
1988 United Nations Peacekeeping Forces


Arms of the UN are not the UN?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 16 Oct, 2005 03:58 pm
USA isn't a member of the UN?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 16 Oct, 2005 04:06 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
USA isn't a member of the UN?


I know that is supposed to be devilishly clever, but in my dullness, I have missed your point.

An organizational arm of the United Nations is quite different from a member state, or do you disagree?
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 16 Oct, 2005 04:50 pm
finn notes:
Quote:
There have been, are, and will continue to be ugly brutes in the world who wish to dominate people by force of arms.


Yes.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 16 Oct, 2005 05:27 pm
blatham wrote:
finn notes:
Quote:
There have been, are, and will continue to be ugly brutes in the world who wish to dominate people by force of arms.


Yes.


And therefore war is a necessary and even noble device of good men and women.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sun 16 Oct, 2005 05:43 pm
These Bushpeople and there Bush as President. It's like Gollum with his Ring in Lord of the Rings. Laughing
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