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BBC News: Banning Knives in England

 
 
Reply Fri 27 May, 2005 02:27 pm
Doctors' kitchen knife ban call
BBC news ^ | May 28, 2005

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm

Doctors' kitchen knives ban call

Doctors say knives are too pointed A&E doctors are calling for a ban on long pointed kitchen knives to reduce deaths from stabbing. A team from West Middlesex University Hospital said violent crime is on the increase - and kitchen knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings.

They argued many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon.

The research is published in the British Medical Journal.

The researchers said there was no reason for long pointed knives to be publicly available at all.

They consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen.

None of the chefs felt such knives were essential, since the point of a short blade was just as useful when a sharp end was needed.

The researchers said a short pointed knife may cause a substantial superficial wound if used in an assault - but is unlikely to penetrate to inner organs.

Kitchen knives can inflict appalling wounds

In contrast, a pointed long blade pierces the body like "cutting into a ripe melon".

The use of knives is particularly worrying amongst adolescents, say the researchers, reporting that 24% of 16-year-olds have been shown to carry weapons, primarily knives.

The study found links between easy access to domestic knives and violent assault are long established.

French laws in the 17th century decreed that the tips of table and street knives be ground smooth.

A century later, forks and blunt-ended table knives were introduced in the UK in an effort to reduce injuries during arguments in public eating houses.

The researchers say legislation to ban the sale of long pointed knives would be a key step in the fight against violent crime.

"The Home Office is looking for ways to reduce knife crime.

"We suggest that banning the sale of long pointed knives is a sensible and practical measure that would have this effect."

Government response

Home Office spokesperson said there were already extensive restrictions in place to control the sale and possession of knives.

"The law already prohibits the possession of offensive weapons in a public place, and the possession of knives in public without good reason or lawful authority, with the exception of a folding pocket knife with a blade not exceeding three inches.

"Offensive weapons are defined as any weapon designed or adapted to cause injury, or intended by the person possessing them to do so.

"An individual has to demonstrate that he had good reason to possess a knife, for example for fishing, other sporting purposes or as part of his profession (e.g. a chef) in a public place.

"The manufacture, sale and importation of 17 bladed, pointed and other offensive weapons have been banned, in addition to flick knives and gravity knives."

A spokesperson for the Association of Chief Police Officers said: "ACPO supports any move to reduce the number of knife related incidents, however, it is important to consider the practicalities of enforcing such changes."
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2005 02:38 pm
think of the deaths, assaults, divorces and general public brou ha has the human vagina is responsible for. Ban em!!!
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2005 02:46 pm
If anybody here thinks that the idea of banning private ownership of firearms is not going to filter down to them somehow or other, he'd best think again.

I mean, picture yourself down on the floor lapping up water and eating out of a bowl along with Fluffy and Bowser after every sort of kitchen utensil has been banned...
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Eva
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2005 08:47 pm
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
think of the deaths, assaults, divorces and general public brou ha has the human vagina is responsible for. Ban em!!!


Nah, they're not going to ban vaginas. They're not long, sharp and pointed. BAN PENISES!!!


Um...wait a minute. Embarrassed
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Eva
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2005 08:48 pm
I didn't really mean that.
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Eva
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2005 08:48 pm
What I really meant was...

CONFISCATE THEM!

Yeah!
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2005 09:02 pm
Eva wrote:
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
think of the deaths, assaults, divorces and general public brou ha has the human vagina is responsible for. Ban em!!!


Nah, they're not going to ban vaginas. They're not long, sharp and pointed. BAN PENISES!!!


Um...wait a minute. Embarrassed



Very funny, Eva! Laughing
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Jenab
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 11:31 am
Racial violence statistics
Does anyone know how armed violence in Britain breaks down by race of perpetrator?

In the United States in 1995, about 55% of all murders committed in the United States were the work of Black perpetrators. Blacks that year were one-eighth of the US population (12.5%).

Liberals have asserted that poverty, rather than race, motivates violent crime. They say that equally poor Whites and Blacks exhibit no difference in their rates for perpetrating violent crimes such as murder.

In 1995, the US population included 218.3 million Whites and 33.1 million Blacks. Of the Whites, 11.2% were living in circumstances falling within the federal government's definition of poverty. Of the Blacks, 28.8% met that same definition. We can calculate that there were 24.4 million Whites and 9.5 million Blacks living in poverty in the US in 1995.

Poor Whites outnumbered poor Blacks by a ratio of 2.57 to one. If poverty were the "root cause" of crime, as the liberal say it is, then for each 100 murders committed by Blacks in the United States in 1995, about 257 murders would have been committed by American Whites during that same year. But that isn't what really happened.

As mentioned earlier, what really happened is that Blacks committed 55% of all US murders in 1995. For each 100 murders committed by Blacks, only 82 murders were committed by all non-Black groups combined! Even if you were to suppose that Whites committed all the US murders in 1995 that Blacks did not commit, you could only blame them for 82% as much killing.

The historical results are at odds with the liberal theory, and the liberal theory is therefore wrong. Poverty does not cause crime. Or, at least, race itself is a much bigger factor than poverty in how much violent crime is committed.

Let me use data from a different year, just to check.

In 1998, 10.5% of American Whites and 26.5% of American Blacks lived in poverty. The Census Bureau estimates that there were were 223.0 million White Americans and 34.4 million Black US residents on July 1 of that year. At that time, then, there were 23.4 million poor Whites and 9.1 million poor Blacks living in the United States in 1998. In 1998 as in 1995, poor Whites outnumbered poor Blacks by a ratio of 2.57 to one. Again, about half of all US murders were committed by Blacks. The idea that poverty causes crime is a liberal myth.

The per capita murder rate ratio, Black to White, for murder seems to be about 7.5, a figure that remains fairly consistent from year to year. However, the actual ratio is even more lopsided than the apparent ratio. The reason is that the US Justice Department lumps "Hispanics" arbitrarily into their "White" racial category. There is no separate category for Mestizos, the mostly Amerindian hybrid race to which 90% of US "Hispanics" belong.

Some US states track the crimes of Whites and Mestizos separately, and data from these states shows that Mestizos have about three times the rates for most violent crimes, as compared with Whites. With that known, along with the fact that there are at least 33 million Mestizos in the United States, it becomes possible to correct the federal data with regard to the Black-White per capita murder perpetration rate ratio.

About 30% of the crimes attributed in the federal crime statistics to "Whites" were, in fact, perpetrated by Mestizos. That's why you often see Hispanic faces above the words "Race: White" on the FBI's Most Wanted webpage. Correcting the federal crime statistics for the government's fraudulent inclusion of Mestizos among "White" offenders is a matter of multiplying the "White" offense total by a factor of 0.7.

When you do that, you can see that the Black to White per capita ratio for murder perpetration is not merely 7.5. It's closer to ten.

There is also an age dependence: youths commit more crimes than elderly people do. But there is NO AGE GROUP for which the Blacks are less than three times more likely to commit murder than Whites of the same age group. The racial disparity in murder rate is highest between the ages of 15 and 30, with a peak at age 22, and it is lowest between the ages of 55 and 65 (where the ratio is still about 5.0 to 6.0).

If you want to check my facts, you'll need some documents from the US government.

http://www.census.gov/population/projections/nation/detail/d2001_10.pdf
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
http://www.virtualref.com/govdocs/1.htm
http://www.census.gov/statab/www/
http://www.fedstats.gov/
http://factfinder.census.gov/home/saff/main.html?_lang=en

The implication for Britain is that, if the increase in violence is related to race, then their belief that the recent rise in violent crime was somehow caused by an increased amount of evil in long, pointed knives (or, for that matter, in guns) is a disastrous mistake.

It seems likely that many White countries are under some sort of coordinated racial attack, in which violent non-Whites are being imported from everywhere into them, where they are violently displacing and dispossessing Whites from their own countries. Sort of the reverse of colonialism, except that the non-Whites don't merely enslave, they kill and will ultimately exterminate Whites.

Here are some quotes by prominent Blacks in the United States. Make of them what you will.

"Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them."
- Mary Frances Berry, Head of U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, 1991.

"Rape was an insurrectionary act. It delighted me that I was defying and trampling upon the white man's law, upon his system of values, and that I was defiling his women..."
- Eldridge Clever, Soul on Ice.

"You can't steal nothin' from a white man, he's already stole it, he owes you anything you want, even his life. All the stores will open up if you will say the magic words. The magic words are: Up against the wall muthafukker this is a stick up!"
- Amiri Baraka.

"The death of over 120 white people is a very beautiful thing."
- Malcolm X.

"The white man is the devil."
- Malcolm X.

"What we need is the destruction of whiteness, which is the source of human misery in the world."
- Reverend James Cone.

"It is not necessary for a black man to hate a white man, or to have any particular feelings about him at all, in order to realize that he must kill him."
- James Baldwin, 1972.

"I don't care about your idiot children."
- Willie Brown, Black Mayor of San Francisco to a White parent at a public meeting. Published in The Social Contract, Summer 1998.

To them, we are devils. And the crime data shows that they are the same unto us. It is a moral error to be polite about it.

Diversity is a mistake. One country should have only one race in it. Racism is not made by racists; rather, racially mixed societies produce both racism and racists by offending the tribal instinct common to all primates, most definitely including us.

Jerry Abbott
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 11:45 am
I use my 10" kitchen knife all the time. Hm. What does that mean?

This one right here.
http://www.wusthof.com/classic/gif_knives/ES01_cooks/CL_4584-26cm.gif
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Fedral
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 05:51 pm
Re: Racial violence statistics
Jenab wrote:
blah bla blah ... black... blah bla blah ... black... blah bla blah ... crime... blah bla blah ... black...


Ladies and gentlemen, we should be honored that Senator Robert Byrd has joined the forum. Laughing
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Endymion
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 06:21 am
Re: Racial violence statistics
Jenab wrote:

Diversity is a mistake.


Diversity is a mistake?
I think he's in the wrong place if he believes that!
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 01:33 pm
Re: Racial violence statistics
Jenab wrote:


Diversity is a mistake. One country should have only one race in it. Racism is not made by racists; rather, racially mixed societies produce both racism and racists by offending the tribal instinct common to all primates, most definitely including us.

Jerry Abbott


Jerry Abbott? Are you sure? I thought that it was Heinrich Himmler that said this.

I may be wrong though.
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 01:54 pm
gungasnake wrote:
If anybody here thinks that the idea of banning private ownership of firearms is not going to filter down to them somehow or other, he'd best think again.

I mean, picture yourself down on the floor lapping up water and eating out of a bowl along with Fluffy and Bowser after every sort of kitchen utensil has been banned...


The Doctors only have a problem with long POINTED knives. They are not asking for a ban on all kitchen utensils. Long knives are fine....but they dont need to have a sharp, pointed end.

I think it sounds quite logical.

Knife carrying is becoming a major problem over here in the UK, and anything to stamp down hard on this is a good thing, IMO.

My wife went on a trip to Washington about fifteen years ago, as part of a "fact finding" mission on behalf of her education department. When she returned, she told me that schools have regular "swoops" on the pupils, using metal detectors, primarily because of knife carrying.
We were both absolutely horrified at the time, that schoolkids actually carried knives.
Alas, this trend is now evident in the UK, and it should be nipped in the bud, if at all possible.

Personally, I would listen to the Doctors with regards to this type of thing...after all, they're the poor buggers that have to patch people up every day.

Just replace the point with a rounded end....simple really.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 02:06 pm
Knives don't kill people ... people kill people.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 02:20 pm
people kill people -- sometimes with sharp knives...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 02:22 pm
And those who do such with sharp tongues get sometimes their threads closed! :wink:
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WhoodaThunk
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jul, 2005 05:40 am
Re: Racial violence statistics
Jenab wrote:
... One country should have only one race in it ...


I've always been partial to the Kentucky Derby.

Can we keep that one?
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jul, 2005 08:29 am
The problem is, the British are not just trying to ban kids carrying knives, and there are simply too many things in life which can be used to kill people if somebody puts his mind to it.

What are you going to do when it is no longer possible to own knives, screwdrivers, hammers, axes, croquet mallots, tire irons and lug wrenches, large pipe wrenches, saws, chainsaws.....

Does anybody on A2K earn enough to afford to hire govt-certified and bonded craftsmen whenever anything which requires or involves ANY of those things ever turns up??
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jul, 2005 09:17 am
gungasnake wrote:
What are you going to do when it is no longer possible to own knives, screwdrivers, hammers, axes, croquet mallots, tire irons and lug wrenches, large pipe wrenches, saws, chainsaws.....


Don't forget rope ... you can kill with a rope.

Isn't that right, Jenab?
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jul, 2005 10:35 am
How could I have forgotten that???
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