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94% OF YOU BELIEVE DIANA WAS MURDERED

 
 
Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 31 Mar, 2008 04:09 pm
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Scott Baker set out the possible verdicts the jury could reach, but stressed: "It is not open to you to find that Diana and Dodi were unlawfully killed in a staged accident."
Why? Its for the jury, having heard all the evidence to settle on a verdict. Its not for the coroner to rule out this or that. I sincerely hope the jury do find for unlawful killing in a staged accident, just to teach the coroner a lesson. And nobody has explained the carbon monoxide level in Henri Paul's blood, which would have rendered him unconscious. However I'll accept the jury's verdict whatever it may be because there will be no end to this.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 31 Mar, 2008 04:12 pm
all that needed was a drum roll
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 31 Mar, 2008 04:26 pm
Steve: Did you read dlowan's post on the previous page?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 31 Mar, 2008 04:48 pm
wandeljw wrote:
Steve: Did you read dlowan's post on the previous page?
yes.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 31 Mar, 2008 05:36 pm
the coroner scott-baker said (to the jury)

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"You have heard the evidence and it is your decision that matters and not anyone else's"


however, just to make sure the jury doesn't come to the wrong decision scott-baker said (to the jury)

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"I have determined that it is not open to you to find that this was unlawful killing...in a staged accident"


Laughing Laughing

Why? If unlawful killing in a staged accident is such a ludicrous and remote possibility, why not leave it as an option? What are they afraid of? The jury have heard all the evidence, why not just leave it to them to decide? If the Establishment had any balls they would do that, but they daren't risk it. Why? Lets face it if this was the straight-forward accident it appeared to be in August 1997, there would have been a meticulous investigation, an inquest, and a verdict of "accident" a decade ago.

But I don't care any more, I'll go along with whatever verdict the jury is asked to return.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 31 Mar, 2008 05:47 pm
What is the percentage of those who--like me--don't give a rat's ass, and don't consider it important? If you'd ditch those self-styled "royal" freeloaders, you'd not have this nonsense to plague you.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 31 Mar, 2008 05:55 pm
dunno

I only became interested in Diana the day she died.
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 31 Mar, 2008 06:08 pm
Steve 41oo wrote:
I only became interested in Diana the day she died.


Shocked












Oh. Wait.

"International News", not "Relationships & Marriage"....
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Tue 1 Apr, 2008 06:40 am
I'm with Dlowan here.

This archtype has teeth.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Fri 4 Apr, 2008 04:38 pm
Setanta wrote:
What is the percentage of those who--like me--don't give a rat's ass, and don't consider it important? If you'd ditch those self-styled "royal" freeloaders, you'd not have this nonsense to plague you.


Me.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2008 07:34 pm
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Jury says driver, paparazzi killed Diana
(By ROBERT BARR, Associated Press, April 07, 2008)

A coroner's jury returned the most serious verdict within its power Monday, ruling that Princess Diana and her boyfriend were unlawfully killed because their driver and pursuing paparazzi were reckless ?- behavior tantamount to manslaughter.

Criminal charges were unlikely, however, because the incident happened in France outside the jurisdiction of British authorities.

Rejecting claims by the father of Diana's boyfriend, Dodi Fayed, that the couple were murdered, the jury concluded after six months of testimony they were victims of reckless speed by their drinking chauffeur and the pack of photographers chasing after them in Paris in 1997.

"The verdict is unlawful killing, grossly negligent driving of the following vehicles and of the Mercedes" carrying the couple, the jury foreman announced.

That was the verdict of nine of the 11 jurors. There was no indication why there were two dissenters.

All 11 agreed that the car slamming head-on into a concrete pillar rather than striking the wall on the other side was a key factor in their deaths.

The jury also faulted Diana and Fayed for not buckling their seat belts.

But jurors laid the heaviest blame on the couple's driver, Henri Paul, who had been drinking shortly before the high-speed crash that killed all three in a Paris underpass on Aug. 31, 1997, and on the paparazzi following them.

Diana's sons, Princes William and Harry, issued a statement expressing support for the verdict and thanking the jurors for their long work.

"We agree with their verdicts, and are both hugely grateful to each and every one of them for the forbearance they have shown in accepting such significant disruption to their lives over the past six months," the princes said.

Fayed's wealthy father, Mohamed Al Fayed, declared that the jury got it wrong. "The most important thing is, it is murder," he said as he left the Royal Courts of Justice.

The coroner, Lord Justice Scott Baker, had instructed the jury there was no proof whatever for Al Fayed's contention that the couple were victims of a murder plot orchestrated by Prince Philip and carried out by British secret agents.

John Stevens, the former chief of London's Metropolitan Police, said the verdicts vindicated the force's two-year investigation.

"What they have said, of course, is that the deaths were caused by Henri Paul and also by the paparazzi," Stevens said. "If you read the report, you will see that's exactly what we said."

Because the accident happened in France, no British charges can be laid against the photographers.

Nine were charged with manslaughter in France, but the charges were thrown out in 2002. Three photographers ?- Jacques Langevin, Christian Martinez and Fabrice Chassery ?- were convicted of invasion of privacy for taking pictures of the couple and were each fined one euro in 2006.

The couple's deaths came six weeks after romance bloomed while Diana and her two sons were guests of Mohamed Al Fayed in southern France.

In following weeks, Diana and Dodi Fayed shared sea cruises, dinners in Paris, even a helicopter trip in England to visit a medium trusted by Diana. Fayed showered Diana with lavish gifts, including a ring that may or may not have been intended to seal an engagement.

When the couple flew to Paris on Aug. 30, 1997, they were pursued from the airport by paparazzi, who then swarmed outside the Ritz Hotel ?- owned by Mohamed Al Fayed.

Hoping to shake off the paparazzi, Dodi Fayed agreed to a plan to sneak out the back way in a single car. At least three photographers weren't fooled, and the chase was on.

Fayed died instantly when the Mercedes, traveling more than 60 mph, slammed into a concrete pillar in the Alma underpass at 12:22 a.m.

Medics initially thought Diana would survive her severe injuries, but she died at Pitie-Salpetriere Hospital around 4 a.m. Only Diana's bodyguard, Trevor Rees, lived.

French police announced a day after the crash that tests on Paul's blood showed his blood-alcohol level was three times over the national drunk-driving standard.

The finding was disputed, and British experts said the French documentation could have been better. But even Al Fayed's security chief discovered Paul had downed two double Ricards ?- equivalent to four shots of whiskey ?- in the hours before taking the wheel.

Al Fayed, who also owns Harrod's department store in London, has spent lavishly to investigate the crash and propound his theory of a royal plot against the couple.

British taxpayers have paid a heavy price as well. The expense of the inquest, including lawyers and staff assisting the coroner, has passed $6 million, and the Metropolitan Police says it spent $16 million on its two-year investigation.

Those totals don't include the cost of lawyers who represented the London police and the Secret Intelligence Service during the inquest.

John Loughrey, who painted the names of Dodi and Diana on his face before attending the inquest every day, gave the verdict his approval.

"I'm happy for Diana, now she can rest in peace," he said.

But it may not be over. Al Fayed's aides weren't ruling out an appeal, perhaps arguing that the coroner erred in his instructions to the jury or in conduct of the proceedings.

"That is a very difficult route, but we are keeping all our options open," said Al Fayed's spokesman, Michael Cole.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2008 12:52 pm
So as I said, I'll accept the verdict.

Which was UNLAWFUL KILLING

Lets just spell this out a little more. Princess Diana, the most famous woman on the planet, was unlawfully killed. She did not die in a tragic accident. The verdict was that she was unlawfully (that means someone did it) killed. It was no accident. Have you all got that? Smile
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2008 01:19 pm
Steve, it is still an accident and of course, a tragic one. "Negligent Homicide" is the term in U.S. law.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2008 01:52 pm
how can it be an accident if the verdict of accident was rejected in favour of unlawful killing?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2008 01:57 pm
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The appropriate standard of proof is that the unlawful killing must be beyond reasonable doubt. If this standard is not met, a verdict of accidental death or death by misadventure should be considered on the balance of probabilities.
Source: wikipedia
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2008 02:38 pm
from Walter's link

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In English law unlawful killing is a verdict that can be returned by an inquest in England and Wales. The verdict means that a death was caused by another person, without lawful excuse and in breach of the criminal law, in other words homicide.


doesn't seem to indicate intent
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2008 04:44 am
ehBeth wrote:
from Walter's link

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In English law unlawful killing is a verdict that can be returned by an inquest in England and Wales. The verdict means that a death was caused by another person, without lawful excuse and in breach of the criminal law, in other words homicide.


doesn't seem to indicate intent
its for the criminal court to decide if there was intent.

Again, to all the folk who selected accident on the poll for this thread, I say you were wrong.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2008 05:09 am
Steve 41oo wrote:
Again, to all the folk who selected accident on the poll for this thread, I say you were wrong.


I don't know about the English law, but in other laws only after an accident the courts can rule that there's been an unlawful killing (additionally there are some reasons as as well).
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2008 05:35 am
I think there is a subtle difference in the meaning of the word accident. There was an event that led to someone's death. Commonly that event is described as an "accident". But its not truly an accident until the coroners court has ruled it as such. In the case of Diana the court found that the event that led to her death was not accidental, but as a result of actions by others who caused her death. So quite literally the "accident" was not an accident! It would not have happened if other people had not done what they did.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2008 06:13 am
As I told you, such is seen (and handled) differently in other law systems.
And as said, I don't know that much about the English/British system.
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