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Turning PBS into another propaganda tool

 
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jun, 2005 10:47 pm
Re: Turning PBS into another propaganda tool
blatham wrote:
For those of you who didn't read the recent NY Times coverage on the changes being made at PBS and NPR, or even for those of you who did, this following speech from Bill Moyers tells the story of what sort of trouble America is heading towards.
http://baltimorechronicle.com/051805Moyers.shtml


Bill Moyers, another heroically defiant victim of The Big Bad Right.

What a laugh.

That Moyers is not an abrasive and boorish ideologue is true, but it is equally true that he is an idealogue. The notion that Public Television, in general, does not push an ideology is on the one hand humorous, but on the other indicative of Moyers prejudice that ideologues only come in the abrasive and boorish varieties (i.e. John Dean).

When watching Moyers, it is easy to be persuaded that his pleasant voice and earnest face are the marks of a simple seeker of truth, but when his words are written down, it is easier to see that they are the words of an ideologue.

Being an idealogue is not such a bad thing, but an idealogue who denies his nature and in the same breath castigates his kindred is at best disingenuous.

I suppose that if one is absolutely certain about something and yet the public, in general, doesn't share in that certainty, it is understandable that one would either question the cognitive functions of the public or declare that some sort of conspiratorial cover-up is at work.

It is the mark of extremists that they see the actions of their opponents in the most extreme of lights.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2005 12:50 am
Re: Turning PBS into another propaganda tool
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:

Bill Moyers, another heroically defiant victim of The Big Bad Right.

What a laugh.

That Moyers is not an abrasive and boorish ideologue is true, but it is equally true that he is an idealogue. The notion that Public Television, in general, does not push an ideology is on the one hand humorous, but on the other indicative of Moyers prejudice that ideologues only come in the abrasive and boorish varieties (i.e. John Dean).

When watching Moyers, it is easy to be persuaded that his pleasant voice and earnest face are the marks of a simple seeker of truth, but when his words are written down, it is easier to see that they are the words of an ideologue.

Being an idealogue is not such a bad thing, but an idealogue who denies his nature and in the same breath castigates his kindred is at best disingenuous.

I suppose that if one is absolutely certain about something and yet the public, in general, doesn't share in that certainty, it is understandable that one would either question the cognitive functions of the public or declare that some sort of conspiratorial cover-up is at work.

It is the mark of extremists that they see the actions of their opponents in the most extreme of lights.


Finn, you are, in this posting, every bad thing that you suggest Bill Moyers is. Yet he provides proof for what he says. You, on the other hand, merely offer uninformed opinion.

One very telling example.

Quote:
"fair & balanced" Finn writes;

"The notion that Public Television, in general, does not push an ideology is on the one hand humorous, but on the other indicative of Moyers prejudice that ideologues only come in the abrasive and boorish varieties ..."



Quote:

Making PBS as "fair and balanced" as Fox
Critics blast the CPB's unprecedented move to hire competing, "Crossfire"-style ombudsmen, saying the move is intended to make public broadcasting toe a right-wing line.


By Eric Boehlert


Tomlinson was among those who greenlighted the creation of PBS's "Unfiltered" last year to provide an additional conservative platform on public television.

Fittingly, the show served a useful purpose for Tomlinson on the May 13 broadcast, where he continued to make the unsubstantiated -- and unchallenged -- claim that PBS suffers from a liberal bias and that programs like "Now" do "a lot of damage to public television."

The claim is unsubstantiated because the CPB's own internal polling -- surveys it has refused to release independently -- shows that an overwhelming majority of Americans do not think PBS has a liberal bias.
As for the "damage" caused by "Now," the program generated exactly 24 angry e-mails to the CPB during calendar year 2003.


You certainly don't want to let facts get in the way of your prejudices, Finn. That overwhelming majority is right around 78%. And this worst of the worst, the program NOW, generated "exactly 24 angry e-mails to the CPB during calendar year 2003".

How many viewers would you suggest the program had over that same time period, Finn, all of 2003?

What percentage of the total number of viewers would you guess sent "angry e-mails"?

And then we have the Chairman [K Tomlinson] of the CPB, a body established by Congress to ensure balance, "among those who greenlighted the creation of PBS's "Unfiltered" last year to provide an additional conservative platform on public television".

The vast majority of PBS viewers say there is no bias on PBS but the chairman, whose job it is to ensure balance creates not just one but two clearly conservative programs.

That this type of cognitive dissonance just breezes by you and other conservatives is most telling.
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Atkins
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jun, 2005 12:20 pm
Without Moyers, we will never know anything.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2005 01:55 pm
Yes. The Tree of Good and Evil is on the balcony of his condo.
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Atkins
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 09:50 am
Lash wrote:
Yes. The Tree of Good and Evil is on the balcony of his condo.


Snideness is one thing. Meaning is another.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 03:52 pm
I know what you mean. Snideness and meaning...are two things.
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 04:05 pm
Lash wrote:
I know what you mean. Snideness and meaning...are two things.


And "disassembling" is yet another, Lash.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 04:09 pm
Correct. That would be three.

You liberals really know your addition.
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 04:13 pm
Lash wrote:
Correct. That would be three.

You liberals really know your addition.


And you neo-cons sure know how to "disassemble". Rolling Eyes
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 04:18 pm
Somebody's got to break that liberal crap down.

We've been elected...




<hee>
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 04:49 pm
http://www.kent.edu/TopStories/2004/images/Martinyan.jpg

If Yan can make millions acting like a poorly integrated immigrant, so can you!
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 04:43 am
cjhsa wrote:

If Yan can make millions acting like a poorly integrated immigrant, so can you!


Cjhsa, I don't know how you can afford to take so much time and expend so much effort writing these incisive, pointed, enthralling and enlightening posts.

I think you should take a rest. Figuring out if the hokey pokey is really what it's all about is likely more than enough mental challenge for you. Don't bite off more than you can chew!
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 04:57 am
Perhaps this link which I found in a different topic (possibly in the Internatl News section) should be of use to this debate.

http://www.freedomhouse.org/research/pressurvey/pfs2005.pdf

I think you can trust it. It's nonpartisan, it claims to be nonpartisan and if not, you can sue it for false advertising.

But you know what I see going on in this debate that's really cr*p? All this, "you liberals" and "you neo-con" BS, as if you were all finely tuned to one ideology or the other.

To those who claim they are conservatives:
Scepticism about the validity something that does not agree with your world view, whilst acceptance of anything that does agree as valid, is no good.

To those who claim they are liberals:
Name calling is childish. Granted, you are not the only ones who do it, but to stoop down to such level is degrading and unwarranted. Not all liberal policies are the best idea.

To everyone in general:
Are you sure this bias is actually there? If it is, are you sure the bias is PBS trying to push a liberal ideology or PBS trying to cater to a majority liberal audience?

in other words, are you confusing cause and effect?
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rayban1
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 07:49 am
Wolf_ODonnell wrote:
Perhaps this link which I found in a different topic (possibly in the Internatl News section) should be of use to this debate.

http://www.freedomhouse.org/research/pressurvey/pfs2005.pdf

I think you can trust it. It's nonpartisan, it claims to be nonpartisan and if not, you can sue it for false advertising.

But you know what I see going on in this debate that's really cr*p? All this, "you liberals" and "you neo-con" BS, as if you were all finely tuned to one ideology or the other.

To those who claim they are conservatives:
Scepticism about the validity something that does not agree with your world view, whilst acceptance of anything that does agree as valid, is no good.

To those who claim they are liberals:
Name calling is childish. Granted, you are not the only ones who do it, but to stoop down to such level is degrading and unwarranted. Not all liberal policies are the best idea.

To everyone in general:
Are you sure this bias is actually there? If it is, are you sure the bias is PBS trying to push a liberal ideology or PBS trying to cater to a majority liberal audience?

in other words, are you confusing cause and effect?


Wolf
You raise some very good points but before I waste any time debating you, let me ask you a question: How much of this thread have you actually read? For example, have you read my post regarding "advocacy journalism" on page 32. I haven't noticed your name before and you may be like JTT, who likes to accuse others of avoiding the issures but when the "issues" and opposing arguments are presented, he/she will not respond.

After you give me your opinions on the advocacy journalism "thing" then come back and we'll talk about cause and effect.
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Atkins
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 08:15 am
Can we assume from the picture that accompanies her text that Lash is a woman?

Well, she is no lady. But she does remind me of the average female conservative talk show host.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 01:58 pm
Anyone who still finds Yan entertaining as a TV chef after all these years of "chop chop chop" has to have a brain the size of a kung pao peanut.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jun, 2005 01:52 am
rayban1 wrote:

Wolf
You raise some very good points but before I waste any time debating you, let me ask you a question: How much of this thread have you actually read? For example, have you read my post regarding "advocacy journalism" on page 32. I haven't noticed your name before and you may be like JTT, who likes to accuse others of avoiding the issures but when the "issues" and opposing arguments are presented, he/she will not respond.

After you give me your opinions on the advocacy journalism "thing" then come back and we'll talk about cause and effect.


Rayban,

I'm flummoxed as to how it is that you can misunderstand something that is so clear. The studies prove that a LARGE majority of PBS viewers say there is no bias.

But a way right conservative government decides there is a liberal bias [this in and of itself should set the bells to ringing inside a thinking mind].

It installs a conservative hack to a chair that is supposed to neutral, and that "neutral" chairman seeks to establish a balance where no imbalance exists by instituting two shows that are pointedly and unabashedly conservative.

What on earth do you expect me to address? There is no issue. {Well, actually there are issues; the title of the thread clearly points these up}

BUT, let me point out that these FACTS, which show that the "liberal bias" notion is just another talking point, are being treated just like every other fact that is put in front of a wingnut [not all conservatives are wingnuts]; they're like water off a duck's back.

The discussion on these great Repub faith based initiatives stopped dead in its tracks when it was shown that the Repubs only use these "issues" for political tricks, to dupe unsuspecting voters.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jun, 2005 01:56 am
Quote:

The Church of Bush

By Rick Perlstein, Village Voice. Posted August 2, 2004.

These are the people who, even in the face of evidence of his casual cruelty, of his unchristian contempt for weakness, of his lying ways, see something angelic in George W. Bush and love him unconditionally.

Here are some things that Christopher Nunneley, a conservative activist in Birmingham, Alabama, believes. That some time in June, apparently unnoticed by the world media, George Bush negotiated an end to the civil war in Sudan. That Bill Clinton is "lazy" and Teresa Heinz Kerry is an "African colonialist." That "we don't do torture," and that the School of the Americas manuals showing we do were "just ancient U.S. disinformation designed to make the Soviets think that we didn't know how to do real interrogations."

Chris Nunneley also believes something crazy: that George W. Bush is a nice guy.

It's a rather different conclusion than many liberals would make. When we think of Bush's character, we're likely to focus on the administration's proposed budget cuts for veterans, the children indefinitely detained at Abu Ghraib, maybe the story of how the young lad Bush loaded up live frogs with firecrackers in order to watch them explode.

Conservatives see it differently.

CONTINUED AT,

http://www.alternet.org/election04/19425/

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roverroad
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jun, 2005 02:07 am
The government controls the corporate media, now they want to control Public media. Most of the people on those public radio stations are college students who are exercising their rite to free speech. College students are typically more liberal than the general public.

So to say that it's a mouth piece for liberal bias is crazy. Because everyone has a say over the broadcasts on public radio. If you don't like it, go to college and get on a show. Or get involved with picking the programming.

The Republicans wont be happy until they control 100% of the airwaves. They're even trying to get AirAmerica Radio taken off the air because it doesn't spread their right wing propaganda.

You don't see Liberals complaining about the fact that Right wing TV and Radio far outnumbers Liberal stations.

I say, go pass laws that require ALL stations to provide an equal amount of left wing and right wing programming and enforce it on the corporate stations as well as the public stations. The Neocons would hate it!
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rayban1
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jun, 2005 10:06 am
JTT

You continue dancing......and using inane ad hominems such as "right wing nuts", so how can I take you seriously?

One of the issues of this thread concerns Moyers.......Is he or is he not guilty of "Advocacy Journalism"? You will find a definitive discussion on "advocacy journalism" on page 32 of this thread. Unless you address this one question satisfactorily, I will stop wasting my time on you
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