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Turning PBS into another propaganda tool

 
 
dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2005 05:15 pm
who does it more? damn, ask something easy like how many gains of sand is there in the ocean.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2005 05:26 pm
I agree. Perhaps that is the point.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2005 05:37 pm
My grandfather once told me that he usually voted for the party with the cheapest leaflets, his reasoning being that if they could afford glossy leaflets he couldn't afford their election. (he was a wobbly)
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2005 06:17 pm
My kinda guy Laughing
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2005 11:15 pm
George
georgeob1 wrote:
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Have you ever considered the number of US holidays that are based on religion? I guess if you are not an atheist or a member of a non-Christain faith, you might not notice government tax income that supports such holidays.

Christmas
Easter
Thanksgiving

Is Martin Luther King, Jr. a holiday for a national leader or a minister? I choose to honor him as a national leader.

Then there are other national religion-based traditions that are not holidays. A few are:

Saint Patrick's Day
Halloween
Good Friday

BBB


Thanksgiving is hardly a religious holiday - many quite properly modern liberal countries have analogs to it. Halloween has both Christian and pagan origins and it is not a holiday. Easter is not a holiday and even referencves to it are being suppressed: ever heard of Spring Break? Christmans is indeed an exception, however that too is being secularized with "happy hiolidays". I'll grant you that one thouigh and will be interested to watch your campaign to suppress it.

So back to your statement of the proposition - the number of national holidays, based on religion. Answer ONE.


Goerge, thanks for correcting my list. I listed Easter as a holiday in error. I meant to list it under other religion-based traditions. Regarding Thanksgiving, I consider it to be a religious holiday. After all, thanks giving is a prayer to God thanking him for his blessings bestowed.

As to your assertion that you think I would actively try to supress Christmas, you couldn't be more wrong. I never have nor ever will promote such activity. After all, Christmas has become more of a commercial holiday than a religious one. It is it's own destruction without any assistance by atheists or non-christians.

BBB
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2005 06:48 am
george

zipping away for weekend...when I return, I'll give you the history of the Fairness Doctrine's demise.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2005 07:19 am
Have a good zip !
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Atkins
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2005 10:17 am
Sad isn't it? We won't be able to hear the truth.
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sumac
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2005 02:03 pm
I will take a stab at A truth, as surely there is more than one.

Just read your initial post here, Blatam.

Bill Moyers I trust with my heart, head, and soul.

There are very few things in the US at the moment that we can rightly be proud of, that have no political or philosophical, or religious spin to them. Damn if the Bushites aren't trying to drag PBS and NPR into the muck.

They have a liberal slant? Ever consider that they have an intelligent, questioning slant?
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Atkins
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 03:02 pm
sumac wrote:
I will take a stab at A truth, as surely there is more than one.

Just read your initial post here, Blatam.

Bill Moyers I trust with my heart, head, and soul.

There are very few things in the US at the moment that we can rightly be proud of, that have no political or philosophical, or religious spin to them. Damn if the Bushites aren't trying to drag PBS and NPR into the muck.

They have a liberal slant? Ever consider that they have an intelligent, questioning slant?


To these people, anything that smacks of medievalism, that promotes the Republican party and contains the word Jesus is unbiased.

Science is forbidden. The second, third or fourth side to any story is forbidden. Questions must never be raised.

Remember those three monkeys with their hands over their eyes, ears and mouths? That's how the Republicans want us to be.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2005 05:13 am
blatham wrote:
I'm afraid this topic is somewhat depressing. How familiar are you with the situation in Italy and the media ownership/control which the leader there now maintains?

(Just discovered this thread.) I can't speak for George, but I am familiar enough with the situation in Italy to know that I'd prefer a setup where Berlusconi only controls the channels he personally owns, and not the government-controlled channels he controls by virtue of being prime minister. Does it make any difference to your confidence in your position that Berlusconi controls the state-owned TV through governmental regulation agencies that America doesn't quite have yet, and which you propose to introduce or expand?

As for PBS, I always look forward to watching it when I visit, and I think it's a treasure. But to the extent that the government pays the piper, it will also call the tune -- every other situation is inherently unstable. Like yourself, I hate the idea that the US government calls the tune at PBS. So the remedy I suggest is that PBS get the government out of its financing, and increase the share of private donations in its income from the current 75% to 100%. Expecting the government to pay the piper and not call the tune is as naive as giving a dog a pile of sausages to guard, and expecting it not to eat any.

blatham wrote:
It is now five or six corporations which own/control almost all media to which people have regular access.

People have no regular access to books? Newspapers? Magazines? The internet? America must have changed a lot since I last visited it in November. Either that, or your conception of "media to which people have regular access" is somewhat narrow.
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rayban1
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2005 12:37 pm
Thomas wrote:
blatham wrote:

As for PBS, I always look forward to watching it when I visit, and I think it's a treasure. But to the extent that the government pays the piper, it will also call the tune -- every other situation is inherently unstable. Like yourself, I hate the idea that the US government calls the tune at PBS. So the remedy I suggest is that PBS get the government out of its financing, and increase the share of private donations in its income from the current 75% to 100%. Expecting the government to pay the piper and not call the tune is as naive as giving a dog a pile of sausages to guard, and expecting it not to eat any.
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Thomas

Since Blatham may still be "Zipping" and not available to respond, I hope you don't mind if I inject myself into the conversation. With the exception of your avatar (Krugman.....YUK) your post is interesting but I am intriqued why you would accept Blatham's allegation that the US gov't is now controlling PBS. Why would you not at least consider the possiblitly that putting Tomlinson in charge and giving him a mandate to bring about more political balance to a news organization that has morphed out of control by supporting and giving a voice to a rabid conservative hater such as Moyers, is not controlling but merely forcing it to live up to it's responsiblity to inform the public with facts and not to attempt to influence them politically right or left with poltical commentary.

I ask you also to explain the difference in the responsibility of PBS and that of the BBC which was forced to adjust it's very political stance from that of judge, jury and executioner , back to one of informing and educating the public who finance it. I'm sure you are aware of that scandal and resignation of the two top BBC officials because of their obvious zeal to destroy Blair because they disagreed with the Iraq war.
The BBC is completely financed with public money.

I feel very strongly that any publicly financed news organization must scrupulously adher to only their journalistic responsibility of informing the public with facts as they know them and to let the public make the final decision. Anything short of that is elitist and condescending and must not be tolerated by any oversight agency.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2005 12:43 pm
just what PBS/government funding are we talking about specifically? Sesame Street?
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rayban1
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2005 12:47 pm
dyslexia wrote:
just what PBS/government funding are we talking about specifically? Sesame Street?


Excellent point.......if that's where you obtain your political facts......you have just answered your own question. Rolling Eyes
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2005 01:04 pm
and your facts are(non-existent)?
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rayban1
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2005 01:19 pm
dyslexia wrote:
and your facts are(non-existent)?


Aww......Dys, you're not nearly as much fun as Setanta.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2005 03:04 pm
there's a damn good reason for that.
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rayban1
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2005 03:46 pm
dyslexia wrote:
there's a damn good reason for that.



Which is.........?????
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Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2005 04:03 pm
dyslexia wrote:
just what PBS/government funding are we talking about specifically? Sesame Street?

Yes, and they have tamed the cookie monster to the point where it sings things like "cookies are a sometimes food". I mean, how screwed-up can government intervention get?
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2005 04:08 pm
rayban1 wrote:

Since Blatham may still be "Zipping" and not available to respond, I hope you don't mind if I inject myself into the conversation. With the exception of your avatar (Krugman.....YUK) your post is interesting but ....


rayban grows in my estimation with every post.
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