Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 11:17 am
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Main Entry: apol·o·gist Pronunciation Guide
Pronunciation: päljst sometimes aplj-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): -s
Etymology: French apologiste, from apologie apology + -iste -ist
1 : one who makes an apology or defense : one who speaks or writes in defense of a faith, a cause, or an institution; especially : one who makes a systematic defense of Christianity
2 usually capitalized : one of a number of 2d century church fathers who wrote treatises in defense of the Christian faith
source: Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged. Merriam-Webster, 2002, http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com (18 May 2005).
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 11:17 am
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
So again I ask, who here has argued in defense of Saddam. Please be specific.


Parados ... that's why I called him an "apologist." Please follow along more closely.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 11:17 am
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 11:31 am
I have gone back and looked at parados' posts and I fail to see him defending any of Saddam Husseins actions.

If someone states that bushco was wrong, that is not synonomous with defending Saddam Hussein.

It is beyond me how otherwise intelligent people such as yourself can resort to such one dimensional and simplistic thinking as that.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 11:50 am
Based on the overreaction by the muslim world to the news of a flushed koran, now it makes you wonder...maybe this interrogation technique deserves further investigation....

I see them burning US flags daily...they probably wipe their ass with bibles...doesn't bother me a bit, just makes them look silly.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 11:54 am
cjhsa wrote:
Based on the overreaction by the muslim world to the news of a flushed koran, now it makes you wonder...maybe this interrogation technique deserves further investigation....

I see them burning US flags daily...they probably wipe their ass with bibles...doesn't bother me a bit, just makes them look silly.


they are touchy bastids ain't they?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 11:55 am
Well, we all know they'd have to wipe their asses on a gun in order to get a gut reaction out of you, cjhsa...

Maybe they can leave some rifles out to rust. That would bring a confession from ya, I'm sure.

Cycloptichorn
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 12:03 pm
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
I have gone back and looked at parados' posts and I fail to see him defending any of Saddam Husseins actions.

If someone states that bushco was wrong, that is not synonomous with defending Saddam Hussein.

It is beyond me how otherwise intelligent people such as yourself can resort to such one dimensional and simplistic thinking as that.


<sigh> ... Lesson # 2:

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de·fend Audio pronunciation of "defend" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-fnd)
v. de·fend·ed, de·fend·ing, de·fends
v. tr.

1. To make or keep safe from danger, attack, or harm.
2. Sports.[list] 1. To attempt to prevent the opposition from scoring while playing in or near (a goal or area of a field, for example).
2. To be responsible for guarding (an opposing player).
3. To compete against a challenger in an attempt to retain (a championship).[/list] 3. To support or maintain, as by argument or action; justify.
4. Law. [list]1. To represent (a defendant) in a civil or criminal action.
2. To attempt to disprove or invalidate (an action or claim).[/list]



Using either definition #3 or #4.2, it's clear that Parados was defending Saddam Hussein. Here's the relevant portion of his post that I was responding to...

parados wrote:
...

You stated that Saddam refused to cooperate. I stated you can not provide any evidence that he did refuse to cooperate. Your argument here is simply that he refused to show us where stuff that didn't exist was. Hardly an argument to his non cooperation. Rather it is an argument about setting an impossible standard then accusing someone of failing to cooperate because they couldn't do the impossible.


I asserted Saddam failed to cooperate with UN weapons inspectors ... Parados defended Saddam (by arguing in support of his actions, or by arguing against the claim I was making) and asserted that Saddam did not refuse to cooperate. There is no question but that Parados defended Saddam and/or his policies, and I accurately called him an apologist for Saddam. It was at that point you jumped in and identified that as "overused ... typical right wing hysterical rhetoric," and this lesson began. Do you need further explanation, or are you sated?

Parados might be more than just an apologist for Saddam, but an apologist he is. Apparently you think that's a bad thing? I'm not so sure Parados does.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 12:03 pm
Look, I gotta go with cj on that. Why take the bait? Anyone? That would be like me bombing cj's house because he told a "Your mama's so fat...." joke.

We should not be so f**king childish as to bait them in that manner. and they should not be so f**king childish as to overreact to it.

It's a big game of "Where's The Ass hole" and the answer seems to be on both sides of the playing field in this case.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 12:28 pm
Your mama's so fat...








Wink
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 12:35 pm
She needs to make two trips if she wants to haul ass . . .
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 12:36 pm
get the shootin' irons out ma...here comes a pack of angry bears....
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 12:36 pm
when she lays around the house she lays around the house....
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 12:37 pm
One thing I always wonder, you're watching throngs of angry people who can't afford to buy food for their kids burning american flags. How and where'd they get the flag? Hmmm?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 12:38 pm
I still fail to see where parados defended Hussein or his policies....just because he states that Saddam was given an impossible task does not mean he defends him...except in your world of course...what color is the sky there?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 12:39 pm
Cjhsa: I would suspect that they are provided their materials by the rabble-rousers who ultimately profit from such situations--either materially, or in the accumulation of power and influence.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 01:29 pm
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
I still fail to see where parados defended Hussein or his policies....just because he states that Saddam was given an impossible task does not mean he defends him...except in your world of course...what color is the sky there?


Parados justified Saddam's actions and argued in opposition to the assertion of the US Dep. Secretary of State Richard Armitage that Saddam did fail to cooperate. In the context of our debate, he defended Saddam's actions and tried to disprove my argument that Saddam hadn't cooperated with UN weapons inspectors. I've stated the definition of "defend" I'm relying on ... which one are you relying on?

Right now it's mostly cloudy, so I guess it's kinda gray.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 01:31 pm
I have a wall you could use if you need one Tico. You might get better results.
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 02:56 pm
Ticomaya wrote:

The evidence I provided was the first link I came to when I searched for some. It is the testimony of Richard Armitage before the Senate, where he states Saddam refused to cooperate. So don't try and tell me I didn't provide any evidence of his refusal. Where is your evidence that he did cooperate?

You are an apologist for Saddam Hussein. I don't expect you to agree with the way I view this issue.


And the link in no way answered the original question of evidence that Saddam wasn't cooperating with UN inspectors. Lots of stuff about what he might have had based on 1996-97 intelligence but nothing specific about failing to cooperate with the inspections in 2002-3. I only pointed out that fact that no WMD turned up as a side note since this thread is about retracting statements that turn out to be not true.

I am hardly apologizing for Saddam by asking you to back up your statement. It was pretty specific and your attempts to back it up have been far afield from the original statement. Yes, Saddam hadn't accounted for everything he was suspected of having in 1991. However that hardly leads to the conclusion that he was not cooperating with UN inspectors in 2002-3.
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 03:14 pm
Ticomaya wrote:




Wrong. I don't use the term "Saddam apologist" to describe anyone whose opinion differs from mine ... I use it to describe those who defend Saddam or his policies, or who I believe are "on Saddam's side."



BVT wrote:
Here's a little English language 101 for you. If a person is supporting or defending Saddam Hussein or anyone else, they are not apologizing for them, they are rather denying that they did anything wrong. In that context, Bush apologist is much more accurate a statement.

Thanks for the lesson. Here's one for you:

Quote:
a·pol·o·gist Audio pronunciation of "apologist" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-pl-jst)
n.

A person who argues in defense or justification of something, such as a doctrine, policy, or institution.[/size]



LINK


Kindly point out where I apologized for Saddam.. Here are all my statements to make it easier for you to point to the specific one.

Quote:
And where are all these items? There were not tens of thousand of unaccounted for warheads. Geez.. Go read the Unscom reports. There was no mobile lab for biological weapons. This turned out to be made up stuff. Hardly a reason to go to war.

You stated that Saddam refused to cooperate. I stated you can not provide any evidence that he did refuse to cooperate. Your argument here is simply that he refused to show us where stuff that didn't exist was. Hardly an argument to his non cooperation. Rather it is an argument about setting an impossible standard then accusing someone of failing to cooperate because they couldn't do the impossible.
Quote:
Yeah, and? where are those WMD that were claimed?
The document presented had lots of nice rhetoric about Saddam had to truthfully declare his WMD or be invaded. Saddam claimed he had none. It appears that Saddam fulfilled his requirements.

Which part of his not cooperating are you claiming? I don't see any evidence yet that he didn't do so.

Quote:

I guess Saddam didn't cooperate when he failed to turn over items that didn't even exist. Wow. Is that your lack of cooperation? Saddam didn't cooperate because he failed to do the impossible.

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