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Things i like about George.W.Bush

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parados
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2005 12:24 pm
Tico,
What was the lie Clinton told?

I see lots of instances of telling factually true statements based on narrow definitions to give an impression that they might mean something else.

Clinton himself stated
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As you know, in a deposition in January, I was asked questions about my relationship with Monica Lewinsky. While my answers were legally accurate, I did not volunteer information


How can it be accurate and a lie?

Definition of sexual relationship is "intercourse". That is certainly not a lie. It was a weasel perhaps in it gave an impression that there was no sexual contact at all but there is no evidence that they did have intercourse.

We can argue word meanings all day but then we get to the same issue with Bush. The meanings of words and if they mean what you think or we think. Based on Bush's statements, Bush weaseled. He intentionally gave an impression that wasn't true.

Clinton misled about his affair. Bush misled about WMD. Not much difference between the two.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2005 12:28 pm
'cept noone died as a result of Clinton's indiscretions...

Cycloptichorn
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2005 12:28 pm
Not apart from a few thousand dead Iraqi non-combatants . . . with the toll rising on a nearly daily basis . . .
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2005 12:43 pm
Seems you may be close there Tico. Somehow, hiding a sexual encounter and hiding the fact that you started a war under false pretenses isn't even in the same universe.

I guess that is the answer. George Bush must be part of a lawsuit so that the questions that need answers can be answered.

We may not get the truth today and we may not get the truth tomorrow, but the truth will come out and history will record it.
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not2know
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2005 01:00 pm
Intrepid wrote:

"We may not get the truth today and we may not get the truth tomorrow, but the truth will come out and history will record it"


nice quote Smile
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not2know
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2005 01:17 pm
Here
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2005 01:36 pm
not2know wrote:
Intrepid wrote:

"We may not get the truth today and we may not get the truth tomorrow, but the truth will come out and history will record it"


nice quote Smile


Thanks
In rare moments, I get inspired :-)
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2005 01:39 pm
I have read several of his dumb quotes as well. I have also heard them on TV etc. The man must have several handlers just to keep a rein on him. It is really scary that he is the President of one of the most powerful nations on earth. He makes our politicians seem like mensa members.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2005 01:40 pm
Intrepid wrote:
He makes our politicians seem like mensa members.


God, that's a scary thought . . . you include Joe Clark in that assessment?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2005 02:33 pm
parados wrote:
Tico,
What was the lie Clinton told?

I see lots of instances of telling factually true statements based on narrow definitions to give an impression that they might mean something else.

Clinton himself stated
Quote:


As you know, in a deposition in January, I was asked questions about my relationship with Monica Lewinsky. While my answers were legally accurate, I did not volunteer information


How can it be accurate and a lie?

Definition of sexual relationship is "intercourse". That is certainly not a lie. It was a weasel perhaps in it gave an impression that there was no sexual contact at all but there is no evidence that they did have intercourse.

We can argue word meanings all day but then we get to the same issue with Bush. The meanings of words and if they mean what you think or we think. Based on Bush's statements, Bush weaseled. He intentionally gave an impression that wasn't true.

Clinton misled about his affair. Bush misled about WMD. Not much difference between the two.


What lie? Where to start?

How about when he was asked "At any time were you and Monica Lewinsky alone together in the Oval Office?" His response: "I don't recall ..." Do you find that factually accurate?

How about this exchange:

Quote:
Q. Certainly if it happened, nothing remarkable would have occurred?

A. No, nothing remarkable. I don't remember it.


You think that was a factually accurate statement?

He lied ... that's why he lost his license to practice law -- his misleading testimony.

We know Clinton "weaseled" out of a desire to mislead, knowing he was telling an untruth. That isn't the case with Bush. That's what you anti-Bush folks can't seem to understand .... you insist that he started the war on false pretenses, and "lied" to get us to war, but it's just not the case.

Intrepid wrote:
We may not get the truth today and we may not get the truth tomorrow, but the truth will come out and history will record it.


That depends what you mean by the word "get."

:wink:
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not2know
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2005 02:47 pm
Did you know that IMB are making a new PC called "The Clinton" ?

It comes with 5.5 inch Hard drive and NO memory!
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2005 03:44 pm
heeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehee . . .



okseeyahbye
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au1929
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2005 03:49 pm
Tico
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Unjust" is your opinion ... as is, I suppose, whether the sitting president should commit adultery in the Oval Office, then lie about it.


How many people died as a result of that lie. What effect did it have on the function of president. Did it cause 1600 American Dead, 16000 American wounded and 100,000 Iraqi dead. That is the result of the fabrications of the present leader of the "Free world" The leader I might add that no one is willing to follow. And I should add the schmuck that is bankrupting this nation.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2005 03:56 pm
Setanta wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
He makes our politicians seem like mensa members.


God, that's a scary thought . . . you include Joe Clark in that assessment?


Um, ya got me there Setanta. I would have to absolve myself of all knowedge of the hitherto mentioned Mr. Joe Clark. Come to think of it, he is probably the closest we have to George Bush. Except, old Joe never caused anyone to lose their lives based on deception.
:wink:
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2005 04:01 pm
Intrepid wrote:
Quote:
We may not get the truth today and we may not get the truth tomorrow, but the truth will come out and history will record it.



Tico wrote:
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That depends what you mean by the word "get."


Get as in to obtain, receive, acquire.

Not, to understand as you are obviously alluding to ;-)
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2005 05:43 pm
au1929 wrote:
Tico
Quote:
Unjust" is your opinion ... as is, I suppose, whether the sitting president should commit adultery in the Oval Office, then lie about it.


How many people died as a result of that lie. What effect did it have on the function of president. Did it cause 1600 American Dead, 16000 American wounded and 100,000 Iraqi dead. That is the result of the fabrications of the present leader of the "Free world" ...


Again, that is your unsubstantiated belief.

au wrote:
And I should add the schmuck that is bankrupting this nation.


I thought you were a big fan of bankruptcy.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2005 05:43 pm
Intrepid wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Quote:
We may not get the truth today and we may not get the truth tomorrow, but the truth will come out and history will record it.



Tico wrote:
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That depends what you mean by the word "get."


Get as in to obtain, receive, acquire.

Not, to understand as you are obviously alluding to ;-)


We also might get the truth today, and just not believe it because we don't want to. I understand that cuts both ways.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2005 05:46 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Quote:
We may not get the truth today and we may not get the truth tomorrow, but the truth will come out and history will record it.



Tico wrote:
Quote:
That depends what you mean by the word "get."


Get as in to obtain, receive, acquire.

Not, to understand as you are obviously alluding to ;-)


We also might get the truth today, and just not believe it because we don't want to. I understand that cuts both ways.


Whether one chooses to believe it or not, the truth is the truth, Didn't I hear somewhere, truth and liberty for all? ;-)
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tommrr
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2005 05:50 pm
Quote:
au wrote:
And I should add the schmuck that is bankrupting this nation.

While I don't disagree with this, he is not alone here. He has about 535 other people helping in this cause.
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physgrad
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2005 07:42 pm
There is a difference between lying saying what you believe to be true. Consider the WMDs issue:

1. Bush claimed there were WMDs in Iraq.

2. He asked for the army to invade and get rid of those WMDs.

Now if you say he was lying what you mean is:

1. He knew there were no WMDs.
2. But he sent the army in anyway so that they could prove there weren't any and thereby end up being called a liar.

I'm sorry but noone is that stupid. Even a kid wouldn't tell his teacher that his dog ate his homework. then drag his teacher home to show her he has no dog.

So obviously he didn't lie, as he believed it too.
Clinton lied . The importance of that lie is not in question, I'm not even certain ppl had any business asking him that question in the first place, but he lied anyways.
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