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Things i like about George.W.Bush

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2005 02:16 am
Well, I'm mightily impressed by the achievement, but have some reservations about the method employed to get there! :wink:
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physgrad
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2005 02:18 am
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Sometimes being flexible is considered smart. Remember a guy named Adolf? He was pretty steadfast in his policies also.


It seems a lot of effort goes into explaining why Bush is not TR, but nothing so far to explain the hitler reference?. Steadfastness in Bush is a quality I like. I do not recall ever saying that I would like it in Hitler. There is a world of difference in what these two are/were steadfast about.

I guess you might have interpreted my steadfast comment to be a general characteristic to admire, if thats the case, then its my fault for not being clear.

Also by comparing Bush to Hitler, one not only demonizes bush, without any factual support, but you inadvertantly elevate hitler above the mass-murdering psychopath that he was. Honestly speaking, the only person you can really compare to hitler was Stalin. Just showing that extremes of any political position are generally disastrous.

Also, a lot of personal attacks on Bush aside, I've yet to see why the hate? I can understand disagreement or even opposition to his positions, but I cant understand the deep animosity and personal hate that seems to come across from a lot of the posts.
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tommrr
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2005 02:18 am
msolga wrote:
Well, I'm mightily impressed by the achievement, but have some reservations about the method employed to get there! :wink:

So can we mark you down as undecided then??? Laughing
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2005 02:20 am
That's a hard one. I'll get back to you on that! :wink:
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tommrr
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2005 02:42 am
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but nothing so far to explain the hitler reference?.

It is a reference that you will get used to around here. Hopefully this will head off it getting started here as well.
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=42339&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=hitler+bush
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physgrad
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2005 02:51 am
tommrr wrote:
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but nothing so far to explain the hitler reference?.

It is a reference that you will get used to around here. Hopefully this will head off it getting started here as well.
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=42339&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=hitler+bush
i guess so..hitler references are useful at times...but he was a really bad guy so one should be careful about name dropping..
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not2know
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2005 02:59 am
Ticomaya wrote:


What I said is a true statement. Each time a Bush-hater calls him a 'tard or "brain-dead," I need only smile, knowing he's beaten the best the Democrats had to offer in two national elections ....



ELECTION FRAUD in 2004
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tommrr
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2005 02:59 am
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i guess so..hitler references are useful at times...but he was a really bad guy so one should be careful about name dropping..

How true. However, it is popular here and on many other boards to compare Hitler to Bush. Like I said, you will get used to seeing it thrown around from time to time.
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roverroad
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2005 03:28 am
msolga wrote:
He's unified most of the rest of the world in opposition to his government's policies & actions. This is a rare situation indeed!


He's definitely a uniter..
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2005 04:35 am
tommrr wrote:

Did I compare the non Presidency accomplishments of either man? No. I used TR because he was another historical person that I feel was steadfast. But since you bring it up, there are more comparisions than most know of.

Bush is accussed of being a cowboy. McKinley's campaign manager, Mark Hanna, said of TR, "Now look! That damned cowboy is president."


I take it then, that you consider being referred to as a cowboy as an accomplishment. That's a rather pathetic bit of résumé filler for the Oval Office. By the way, Hanna did all he could to prevent Roosevelt from becoming the Vice Presidential candidate, and he described Roosevelt as the most dangerous man on earth long before the thought occurred to Wilson.

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Many claim Bush is the most dangerous man on earth, guess what, Woodrow Wilson once called TR, "The most dangerous man of the age."


Once again, one wonders if you consider being described as the most dangerous man of the age to be an accomplishment. Hardly something which recommends a prospective applicant for a postion which would place his finger on the nuclear button. But of course, you're stretching here, as you are throughout this nonsense you've posted. "Many claim Bush is the, etc. . . . " is something you dreamed up to have something to compare to Wilson's statement. If you really knew anything about TR, you'd have known there are a host of such cautionary quotes which could be dredged up about TR, going back to the 1884 National Convention.

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Bush has a physical lifestyle, and so did TR.


This is alleged to be an accomplishment? Can one then assume that FDR's semi-paralytic condition made him, in your view, less worthy for the office? Once gain, you're reaching for comparisons, and you have yet to come up with anything meaningful.

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In office, TR created a cabinet position, Dept of Commerce and Labor, to monitor the trusts and Bush has created the Dept. of Homeland Security, which..well, hasn't went as well.


Sorry, but you lose altogether on this one. Presidents do not and cannot create cabinet departments. That is the perogative of Congress. They (Presidents) can recommend, but that's as far as it goes. Of course, i will assume that you know that the President cannot appoint the heads of departments without the advice and consent of the Senate.

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TR went against previous adminstrations half hearted attempts to control the mega companies, and took it head on rather than just talk about it. Bush has taken a position on SS, and while not popular, at least he is acting and not just giving lip service to the situation. And in getting the reforms through Congress, TR wasted little time or political capital trying to forge legislative coalitions. Seems that Bush does the same thing. Seems like both had a belief and were/are steadfast in trying to accomplish them. I could go on, but I think my point is made.


This last is a series of vague statements, sufficiently vague to seem to uphold your thesis--but in fact, it doesn't. Administrations prior to TR taking office in September, 1901--upon the death of McKinely--had not ever attempted to control corporations beyond the power to regulate interstate commerce which is vested in the Congress by the constitution. The term, and the concept of, "mega companies" (which i take is unique to your world view, as i've never come across the term in any historical reading), did not exist at that time--Roosevelt was seen as "the trust-buster," and for all his genuine desire to fill that role, there was little he could actually accomplish, unless the Justice Department had a case to make for a violation of existing law. Bringing up the Shrub's lame and ludicrous plan to gut the already anemic social security trust fund in such an attempt at comparison is just silly--apples to oranges.

Altogether, that was a pathetic performace. I've always been interested in Theodore Roosevelt, Jr., and have read a great deal about him. I've recently re-read my favorite short biography of the man, as well as reading during the christmas holiday a very long and detailed biography which i had not yet read. There are reasonable comparisons to be made between TR and the Shrub. But you have to do your own homework--i'm not about to provide the Bushwacked with material for their lame propaganda.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2005 06:57 am
McGentrix wrote:
He continuously pisses off the left.


Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2005 08:10 am
physgrad wrote:
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If I went to church every morning and **** on the altar I'd be consistent in my actions...that is no great recommendation or accomplishment.



By consistency in action I meant that he is clear on what he stands for and commits actions consistent with the the mandate he received. That is people knew what they were getting with George Bush. You may not agree with his stance, but that is not a crime.

Also since when did 'liberals' reserve the right to have an opinion? I thought being liberal meant supporting an individuals right to express an opinion even when you didn't agree with it. Why should Bush or his supporters not be extended the same courtesy that you expect when stating beliefs? It seems that everytime Bush or a supporter says something everybody on the left starts a character attack as if that is somehow meant to counter the right wing argument.

Debate bush by debating his issues, his stance in politics, his policies. Personal attacks with no basis in actual fact, lead nowhere.


You are entitled and welcome as the flowers in May, to your opinion. Who said you weren't?

His issues have been debated, as have his stances in politics and his God awful policies, his harvesting of the American economy for his personal gain and the gain of a select few, etc. etc. The personal attqcks serve a great purpose. They aptly demonstrate the total lack of respect and the sickening disgust that many feel towards this abhorent anomally of a human being.

Sort of a "the way the right treats the Clintons" in reverse :wink:
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2005 08:13 am
Okay, something positive.

I like the way he makes me long for GWHB.
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physgrad
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2005 08:39 am
Are you seriously suggesting that just coz the right attacked Clinton, its ok to attack Bush personally?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2005 08:43 am
physgrad wrote:
Are you seriously suggesting that just coz the right attacked Clinton, its ok to attack Bush personally?


No, I'm not, but it's certainly right out of the right's playbook isn't it?
And I find Bush personally, there's that word, offensive. Lots of people do.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2005 08:45 am
There is a serious difference. The right tried for six years to find something on Clinton and came up dry. Bush, even without trying is among the most dull witted, incompetent, dishonest presidents weve had since Warren Harding.
Hes trashed our economy for reasons that the right keeps trying to make up as they go along

Hes inarticulate, a sure sign that hes being managed.

His oil cronies will, Im sure, it will be found later, are cynically manipulating the refining means and supply routes of oil. Those "hurricane platforms payed more to the companies by not pumping"
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Montana
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2005 08:59 am
physgrad wrote:
Are you seriously suggesting that just coz the right attacked Clinton, its ok to attack Bush personally?


As long as we continue to have freedom of speech ;-)
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2005 09:12 am
He can't stand again after this.
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tommrr
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2005 12:34 pm
Setanta wrote:
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I take it then, that you consider being referred to as a cowboy as an accomplishment. That's a rather pathetic bit of résumé filler for the Oval Office. By the way, Hanna did all he could to prevent Roosevelt from becoming the Vice Presidential candidate, and he described Roosevelt as the most dangerous man on earth long before the thought occurred to Wilson

Being an accomplishment, no. Being a characteristic of both men that I personally like, Yes. I know that Hanna did like TR, and fought tooth and nail to keep him from getting on the ticket and was appalled even further when he became president. I used the Wilson quote, because I found it first.
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Once again, one wonders if you consider being described as the most dangerous man of the age to be an accomplishment. Hardly something which recommends a prospective applicant for a postion which would place his finger on the nuclear button. But of course, you're stretching here, as you are throughout this nonsense you've posted. "Many claim Bush is the, etc. . . . " is something you dreamed up to have something to compare to Wilson's statement. If you really knew anything about TR, you'd have known there are a host of such cautionary quotes which could be dredged up about TR, going back to the 1884 National Convention.

No, just a statement made to show another comparssion. Will give you the fact that it is a lousy one. And no, I didn't dream up the statement about Bush being thought of as dangerous. It is an opinion that I have seen posted elsewhere on A2K, which I can search and provide links for if you like. Also have read that same opinion in many international newspapers while traveling, which again I can do searches for to find some for you. While it is obvisious now that I am not the expert on TR that you claim to be, I do know some about the man, probably more than the average person, and am not afraid to find sources to educate myself further.
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This is alleged to be an accomplishment? Can one then assume that FDR's semi-paralytic condition made him, in your view, less worthy for the office? Once gain, you're reaching for comparisons, and you have yet to come up with anything meaningful.

Once again, no not an accomplishment, just a comparrision of the 2 men. I stated originally that both had steadfast approach to their policies, and it was you that felt the need to start comparing them on points unrelated to my statement. In no way did I say or even imply that FDR's condition made him less worthy of anything, but if you must know, I feel that it makes anything he has done that much MORE amazing. Not only did he have the stress of a war, a depression, and all the other day to day things that come with the job, he did it while fighting his own body on daily basis. Please, do not put words into my mouth or jump to conclusions using reaching logic. And yes, I was reaching, but I will do better, as it seems you will accept no less.
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Sorry, but you lose altogether on this one. Presidents do not and cannot create cabinet departments. That is the perogative of Congress. They (Presidents) can recommend, but that's as far as it goes. Of course, i will assume that you know that the President cannot appoint the heads of departments without the advice and consent of the Senate.

Well hell, you got me hands down on that one. I do know that they don't have the power to create the position, just to recommend such. Also quite aware of how the appointment process works. Also know that they can use whatever influence they have to acheive this. If they feel strongly enough, it might even be a steadfast approach to the issue.
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Altogether, that was a pathetic performace. I've always been interested in Theodore Roosevelt, Jr., and have read a great deal about him. I've recently re-read my favorite short biography of the man, as well as reading during the christmas holiday a very long and detailed biography which i had not yet read. There are reasonable comparisons to be made between TR and the Shrub. But you have to do your own homework--i'm not about to provide the Bushwacked with material for their lame propaganda.

And yes, after re reading the whole thing over again, it was not a thing of beauty. Seems though, the biggest problem is that I have taken the liberty of comparing a man you despise to one that you admire, and you are going to pick it apart unless it measures up. No problem with that. And I am quite aware that there are better comparisions to made than what I have presented here. Like I stated earlier, I am not afraid to educate myself more on this or any other topic. So with that being said, I'm off to the bookshelf.
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dora17
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2005 12:39 pm
tommrr wrote:
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i guess so..hitler references are useful at times...but he was a really bad guy so one should be careful about name dropping..

How true. However, it is popular here and on many other boards to compare Hitler to Bush. Like I said, you will get used to seeing it thrown around from time to time.


People use the ol' Hitler thing in lots of cases, not just for comparison to bush. I hope everyone that got upset about the comparison in this case also points out the ad Nazium fallacy when the religious right uses it to score cheap points in arguing against abortion.
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