Gay Rights and Fertility Clinics: "Born Gay"

In other words, you do not wish to commit to either side of this issue at this time.

Intelligence is not a good comparison to homosexuality as education greatly influences ones level of intelligence. That is unless you believe homosexuality is a learned behavior, but you obviously do not wish to be pinned down either way. That's fine.

Perhaps this isn't the thread for you.

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Chrissee wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
I am a heterosexual.

Why the eyeroll? Are you still under the misguided delusion that everyone is really a repressed homosexual? Is that what helps you sleep at night?

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Sexual orientation is about commitment? Damn, that's new to me!

"I'm such a committed heterosexual! Sometimes I even get up at night to do so!"

Weird.

Here, a quote from the article Trupolitik linked to:

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Previous studies in male twins have suggested that between 40%-60% of the variability in sexual orientation is due to genes. The rest is thought to be due to environment and possibly other biologic but nongenetic causes.

Go figure.

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McGentrix wrote:

In other words, you do not wish to commit to either side of this issue at this time.

Intelligence is not a good comparison to homosexuality as education greatly influences ones level of intelligence. That is unless you believe homosexuality is a learned behavior, but you obviously do not wish to be pinned down either way. That's fine.

Perhaps this isn't the thread for you.

Education greatly influences one's education.

Intelligence is not directly related to any formal education. An intelligent person might be more likely to get an education or seek out answers but education doesn't make intelligence.

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McGentrix wrote:

Chrissee wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
I am a heterosexual.

Why the eyeroll? Are you still under the misguided delusion that everyone is really a repressed homosexual? Is that what helps you sleep at night?

It is relatively easy to deny your true self on a BB, yet another to do it in REAL LIFE.

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Chrissee wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
Chrissee wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
I am a heterosexual.

Why the eyeroll? Are you still under the misguided delusion that everyone is really a repressed homosexual? Is that what helps you sleep at night?

It is relatively easy to deny your true self on a BB, yet another to do it in REAL LIFE.

This is one of the reasons I avoid responding to your posts. I will endeavor to do better at acheiving that goal in the future.

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If "gayness" were strictly the result of genetics or of environment it would have been bred out of existence long ago. It has only been in the last 30 years or so that actual sex stopped being the only way to conceive a child. All children were raised in heterosexual homes.

I suppose some closeted homosexuals reproduced but not enough.

But this doesn't mean that homosexuals aren't born homosexual. Perhaps it has something to do with hormone fluctuations during gestation.

Truth is, nobody knows.

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Of course, McGentrix, I have no idea of what your true sexual nature. It is a pretty good guess that you don't either. Of all the hundreds of posts from folks like you who espouse your particular agenda, I have yet to see one in which one who would admit anything except that he is 100% straight. That, of course, is a statistical impossibilty.

And I do not believe that all conservative American alledgedly straight men are sexually repressed, just the vast majority of them.

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boomerang wrote:

Truth is, nobody knows.

You got that right. And sexuality is far more complex than to make simplistic classifications such as straight or gay in a sense that it defines an individual. Or whether it is nature or nurture. I am convinced that people who think this way don't even understand their own sexuality and, most likely are sexually repressed.

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Back to the question:

If I had decided to have a child by artificial insemination--or to adopt a child--I'd appreciate as much background information about the parent/parents as possible--to satisfy my own curiosity.

I've known gay children of straight parents and straight children of gay parents. I've known artistically talented children born in prosaic families and practical children born to feckless families.

Perhaps someday reproduction will no longer be a genetic lottery. Right now whether natural birth, adoption, artificial insemination or whatever, you take your chances and play the cards you're dealt.

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Amen!

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Good point, Noddy...

I think there are some problems inherent, though. Think about adoptation. Imagine a case where a child was born after the mother had been raped. This makes the father a rapist. What are the child's chances of getting adopted?

(I'm getting sidetracked, though)

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Re: Gay Rights and Fertility Clinics: "Born Gay"

Trupolitik wrote:

It seems to be the leading opinion among most liberals, that being "Gay" is something that someone is born with. If someone is, infact, "born gay" is it therefore genetic?

And , if Homosexuality is genetic, should Gay Men and Women who donate their sperm or eggs have their "donations" appropriately labled?

Should a couple seeking a sperm or egg donor have the right to know?

Noddy, as you see, that wasn't the question. The question implies that this one minor detail trumps everything else. It also implies that homosexuality is an undesrable trait.

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BTW I might mention as well that the question depends on a strawman supposition:

"It seems to be the leading opinion among most liberals, that being 'Gay' is something that someone is born with."

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Chrissee wrote:

Trupolitik wrote:
It seems to be the leading opinion among most liberals, that being "Gay" is something that someone is born with. If someone is, infact, "born gay" is it therefore genetic?

And , if Homosexuality is genetic, should Gay Men and Women who donate their sperm or eggs have their "donations" appropriately labled?

Should a couple seeking a sperm or egg donor have the right to know?

Noddy, as you see, that wasn't the question. The question implies that this one minor detail trumps everything else. It also implies that homosexuality is an undesrable trait.

To A great many people, it IS an undesirable trait. The study posted also demonstrated a higher statistical probability of homosexuality. If we are to play Noddy's "Lottery" analogy, I thik the parents have the right to play the lottery with the best odds. That requires informed consent.

Chrissy...you REALLY dont think they have that right?

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Re: Gay Rights and Fertility Clinics: "Born Gay"

Trupolitik wrote:

To A great many people, it IS an undesirable trait. The study posted also demonstrated a higher statistical probability of homosexuality. If we are to play Noddy's "Lottery" analogy, I thik the parents have the right to play the lottery with the best odds. That requires informed consent.

No evidence to suggest that homosexuality is passed from one parent to child. Just because a particular gene combination may create it doesn't mean that it is directly descendent as a recessive gene like hair color. If it was this simple then all children of gay couples would be gay and we know for a fact that they are not. The study doesn't do any research on parent to child only on siblings.

If we are to interpolate anything from the study about parent child relationships, it would be that heteros are more likely to have gay children because the study required siblings. Hetero couples are more likely to have multiple children.

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Chrissee--

Perhaps I did dodge the question by implying that as far as I'm concerned the question was meaningless.

All accurate information can be useful information.

If an adoptive parent decides in the middle of Colic Time that the kid is screaming because the kid is "probably" gay, this is hard on the kid and the spouse.

Personally, I'm irreligious. I assume that all babies are born innocent and that the "sins" of the father are not visited upon the children. I have some regrets that good taste is not genetically determined, but I'm consistant.

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I didn't really disagree with what you said, noddy. It is just that this thread is a rather transparent attempt to bash liberals and gays not a sincere attempt to help adoptive parents.

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Re: Gay Rights and Fertility Clinics: "Born Gay"

Trupolitik wrote:

Chrissee wrote:
Trupolitik wrote:
It seems to be the leading opinion among most liberals, that being "Gay" is something that someone is born with. If someone is, infact, "born gay" is it therefore genetic?

And , if Homosexuality is genetic, should Gay Men and Women who donate their sperm or eggs have their "donations" appropriately labled?

Should a couple seeking a sperm or egg donor have the right to know?

Noddy, as you see, that wasn't the question. The question implies that this one minor detail trumps everything else. It also implies that homosexuality is an undesrable trait.

Chrissy...you REALLY dont think they have that right?

Actually, they don't have any rights in this matter. Whatever arrangement they choose to make is between them, the intermediaries and the donors. Actually, I don't think disclosure is a bad thing as I would prefer the sperm of a gay donor. There are a great many people who th

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To A great many people, it IS an undesirable trait.

To a "great many people," being a sexually repressed homophobe, or Irish or a Brit, a Muslim, or a redhead IS an undesirable trait. So what?

BTW do YOU think homosexuality is an undesirable trait?

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