God is Irrelevant!

Things that were wrong, such as slavery (which you cannot equate to slavery in the Bible.), in decades past was wrong because of the way people were treated because they had a different color skin. Slavery in the Bible was a lot more complex than you seem to think it was.

"Slaves, male and female, you may indeed possess...such slaves
you may own as chattels, and leave to your sons as their
hereditary property, making them perpetual slaves." Leviticus 25:44

Thoughts of God

Great to see you! Di, help me out here. We have tried and tried to explain how the Old Testament is more for historical purposes compared to the New Testament.

So, continually pointing out these references will only cause me to reply that once Christ came, was crucified, and risen from the dead, things were totally different.

We have tried and tried to explain how the Old Testament is more for historical purposes compared to the New Testament.

Momma Angel wrote:

So, continually pointing out these references will only cause me to reply that once Christ came, was crucified, and risen from the dead, things were totally different.

And you don't consider that god doing a complete 180 degrees? If Jesus is god (holy trinity) then god DID in fact change. Why the change?

Maybe religion changed the bible to suit it's needs? Why not? I think it's a question worth asking? What would the Christian religion have to GAIN from making it easier to walk with god in heaven? You have to admit that it's relatively easy to go to heaven now that Jesus has come and gone. Before if you screwed up once you were screwed; why even bother trying anymore? But now Jesus saved the day, all you have to do is believe and you will be saved....please pass the collection plate.

Mesquite,

I do not understand why you and others continue to stay locked into the Old Testament. The New Testament is what I, as a Christian, live by. The things we are supposed to do are clearly laid out in the New Testament.

So, continually pointing out these references will only cause me to reply that once Christ came, was crucified, and risen from the dead, things were totally different.

I am very angry at Chistians.

This is not not because they use "faith" to inform their politics or their morality. I have a respect for the Jesus in the Bible and brave people in history who used the Christian faith for good.

I am angry at American Christians because they hold beliefs and policies that directly contradict the teachings of Christ. They use the Bible as a smokescreen for a repressive brand of politics.

What most Americans call "Christianity" today really stem from the Confederate social religion. This is why much of it is based on judgement, nationalism and policies to keep class differences. If you don't believe this, compare your religious positions with that of the KKK.

Most American Christians, while denouncing the KKK agree with them on most all issues. For the record if you oppose the UN, think the US is a Christian nation, oppose gun control because guns are a good way to stop crime, think homosexuals shouldn't have rights even in a democratic society, support capital punishment and are against any rights for undocmented immigrants I am talking about you.

Jesus cared about the poor, blessed peacemakers, taught forgiveness and compassion, stopped capital punishment and turned the other cheek.

The people running the joke called Christianity today accuse the poor of being welfare leeches, call for harsh sentences and imprisonment, champion capital punishment.

I think you can be a true Christian in a free democracy living under and respecting the Constition.

But I will say this very plainly-- Nationalism and Christianity don't mix. Jesus was very clear about that his Kingdom was in heaven. The current ideaology that most Americans call Christianity is a nationalistic call to a return to Confederate America... nothing less.

It angers me that people use the name "Christianity" to advance this regressive political agenda.

Momma Angel wrote:

Mesquite,

I do not understand why you and others continue to stay locked into the Old Testament. The New Testament is what I, as a Christian, live by. The things we are supposed to do are clearly laid out in the New Testament.

So, continually pointing out these references will only cause me to reply that once Christ came, was crucified, and risen from the dead, things were totally different.

The old text is still there and far too many people still draw from its venomous rantings.

And as to taking God's laws out completely? Well, look at Sodom and Gomorrah, that is exactly what they did. They threw away God's laws and practiced every kind of immorality imaginable. But still, God would have spared the city if there were only ten righteous in it. There were not! So, I totally disagree with you on that point. God's laws, legal, then man. That is my stand on that and it won't change.

Joshua 24:15

But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in who land you are living.

Deuteronomy 30:19

Now choose life, so that you and your children may live and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to His voice, and hold fast to Him.

if He could have just found ten righteous people.

But, since the city was destroyed, I would say there weren't ten so the odds are, there weren't any.

Momma Angel wrote:

But, since the city was destroyed, I would say there weren't ten so the odds are, there weren't any.

That would make it easier to justify wouldn't it? However that is not how the story goes. God was perfectly willing to destroy the cities if ten were not found.

A rational person might look at that story and wonder what percentage of the population would be children. Large families were the norm in those days. They might wonder if children, even down to and including infants, could be considered wicked and unrighteous? They might wonder how a god that would destroy innocent children out of anger could be considered a loving and merciful god?

A rational person might look at that story and wonder what was the point of including the part about turning Lot's wife into a pillar of salt just because she looked back at what had been her home for all of her life?

A rational person might conclude that there was NO moral lesson to be learned from that story, but that it was designed to merely instill fear to keep the flock from straying.

A rational person might look at that story and conclude that such a god deserves all of the adjectives that Frank so aptly attributes to him.

Well, I am back from my vacation. Seems like this didn't get very far while I was gone.

Everyone seems to be missing the whole point. The whole thing is God set forth laws and they were broken. You break the law you suffer the consequences. Not so different from today?

Everyone seems to be missing the whole point. The whole thing is God set forth laws and they were broken. You break the law you suffer the consequences. Not so different from today?