spendius,
Maybe farmerman can give you more details. He actually lives in Pennsylvania.
Imagine if you created your own town in an uninhabited part of Pennsylvania. You and farmerman can get together and discuss your mutual admiration of Dr. Michael Behe.
wande-
I never said I admired Behe.I'd never heard of him before this.He seems pretty cool though.
If I did create a town it would have brothels,gambling joints and alcohol dispensing units together with logistical support.Like Las Vegas only with more class.
spendy have you been on the john smiths again?
Not yet Stee.Another hour,14 minutes and about 20 seconds plus or minus 6.
You shoulda seen 'em last night.Listening must be terrible.They were super.I hope they make the final.
What odds are you giving on the SDers?Might be a nail biter.
well congrats to the chelsea steamroller. Didnt listen actually. And too smokey round pub.
Odds Chelsea 4:1
SD'ers (like the 49ers but more evolved) 10^10:1
nail biting. Thats what David Davis is doing.
I'm toying with the idea of backing Davis.This drug thing with Mandy and Campo in the last three weeks of an election campaign might go anywhere.But
maybe Tory constituency members have not yet confessed the depths of their stupidity.That's the only thing holding me back.
And Davis ex SAS.Blimey!And 10 to 1.
Bush has a direct line to god:
President George W Bush told Palestinian ministers that God had told him to invade Afghanistan and Iraq - and create a Palestinian State, a new BBC series reveals.
In Elusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, a major three-part series on BBC TWO (at 9.00pm on Monday 10, Monday 17 and Monday 24 October), Abu Mazen, Palestinian Prime Minister, and Nabil Shaath, his Foreign Minister, describe their first meeting with President Bush in June 2003.
Nabil Shaath says: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq
" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'"
Abu Mazen was at the same meeting and recounts how President Bush told him: "I have a moral and religious obligation. So I will get you a Palestinian state."
The series charts the attempts to bring peace to the Middle East, from President Bill Clinton's peace talks in 1999/2000 to Israel's withdrawal from Gaza last August.
Norma Percy, series producer of The 50 Years War (1998) returns, with producers Mark Anderson and Dan Edge, to tell the inside story of another seven years of crisis.
Presidents and Prime Ministers, their generals and ministers tell what happened behind closed doors as peace talks failed and the intifada exploded.
Israel and the Arabs: Elusive Peace - Mondays 10, 17 and 24 October, from 9.00 to 10.00pm on BBC TWO.
wandel, My admiration for Behe includes his ability to steer his ship through the seas of criticism that he draws. Lesser people would just stay out of the fray, let alone consider publishing a book on it.
Ive been frustrated in conversations with him that have resulted in me learning more than he. I am no more conviced by Irreducible Complexity because it is as "outcome based" as any other concept in Creationism, with the one exception that its trying to , apparently, reconcile Darwinian evolution with theistic evolution and thus be able to adopt much of the serious science work thats been done. In that respect, its an even more cynical and insideous worldview.
When Behe was asked in cross about "juried" publications he did mention the Journals of Embryology, The Journal of Molecular Biology, Biocemistry and SCience. I dont know where the York paper got that isolated byte and tried to make it appear that Behe was "cornered".
Remember, even Einstein was wrong in his dismissal of Quantum Physics.
farmerman,
Dr. Behe is to be admired for his knowledge and research work. However, I was dismayed that he is trying to promote the "wedge" plan.
On the flip side, I also admire Richard Dawkins but I am dismayed when Dawkins proselytizes atheism.
wande-
I'm sorry.I don't see the point of that.
Is it the full AP report or a chosen section.
spendius,
It is basically the full report. I deleted the paragraph describing the background of the case (how the lawsuit began in January 2005).
The school superintendent who testified is not part of the school board. However, he is responsible for approval of any curriculum change. He basically testified that he went along with what the school board did because no court ever ruled previously that mandating the teaching of intelligent design was illegal.
fm-
Isn't "reducible complexity" an absolute and thus contains the asymptote.Isn't rejection of irreducible complexity a claim that one day we will know it all?
wande-
Any answer yet on how board members are appointed and whether they can be dismissed and,if so,by whom?
Good question, spendius! I hope farmerman gives a detailed answer. (He already mentioned that Behe's blood-clotting example may someday be refuted. Farmerman doesn't think it has been refuted so far.)
spendius,
It is a nine member board with terms ending at different times. Dover will have an election in November regarding seven of the nine seats. The majority that favored "intelligent design" may no longer exist if enough incumbents are defeated.
wande-
I presume you mean elected by the local population.In which case-????
Suppose this case establishes them even more firmly.
spendius,
The timing of the judge's decision may actually influence how people vote. It will be a public election (all registered voters in Dover may vote.)
There are 18 candidates for the seven seats. 9 candidates indicate they are opposed to the teaching of intelligent design and 9 candidates would continue the intelligent design policy.
If the judge announces a decision in the lawsuit, that specific issue would become moot. Voters would make their decisions based on other education issues.
wande-
Wouldn't a lot of voters make their decision on other educational issues anyway?I would for sure.
Or has this issue become so politicised that it is a one issue election.ID or SD.
I would imagine the judge will wait in that case unless he knows something about the outcome.
spendius,
You are correct. There are a lot more other educational issues. All 18 candidates are downplaying the intelligent design issue and emphasizing other issues.
