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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
spendius
 
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Tue 19 Feb, 2008 03:22 pm
Is your premiss correct?

Who says Florida's science standards are F.

Are they correct to say that?

And if you have league tables somebody has to be bottom don't they?

How can they teach evolution theory when the standards don't accept it as fact? Why have none of you AIDs-ers answered that point which was in my last post. Well-we know why.

The scientists have been saying for 30 years that it is a fact that women smoking during pregnancy were harming their babies. (Is it alright to call them babies?). Now it turns out that it was only a theory and a wrong one. Dearie, dearie me.

And if the theory of evolution is taught as science why shouldn't other theories be? For example- the psychosomatic theory which you lot daren't even peep at. The astrology theory which I can present as fact. Have done. Questions Game on Trivia. Not that your closed off minds would agree because you can't agree as you have spent all your lives asserting it to be BS and that's an end to it.

Can't all proposed theories be called "scientific theories"? What difference does it make sticking the word "scientific" in front of theory. A theory is a theory. Why call it a theory if it's a fact.

Make the theory that eating too much fat clogs up arteries and costs a fortune and wastes the time of talented people and expensive equipment into a FACT and the government HAS to do something serious about it. As long as it's only a theory it is off the hook. And a lot more people think it is a FACT than there are people who think evolution is a FACT.

Your responses to this vote are pitiful. They are conclusive proof that you have very mediocre minds. Infantile really.

You are cheer leaders. Not the prettiest but still. Bobby-soxers. Not a scientific thought in sight. Blather.

What theories do physics and maths teachers teach in grade schools?

Evolution's out. Maybe some biology might get done in the time freed up.
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spendius
 
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Tue 19 Feb, 2008 03:34 pm
c.i. wrote-

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Makes one wonder how far they're going with this silliness.


How on earth can it be "silly" when it is providing all this entertainment and keeping money circulating and all the little pedestals free of dust.

Look at all the fun we are having for a start.

You might as well say football is silly which it is if you forget about the entertainment.

You might as well get it into your head c.i. once and for all: all the way till the wheels fall off and burn is the answer.
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spendius
 
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Tue 19 Feb, 2008 04:33 pm
Why do you lot keep banging on, like as if you have to be continually reassuring yourselves, that ID is not science.

Who is saying it is on here?

You have it the wrong way round. Science is a branch of ID. ID is a complex plant and it has a lot of foliage. Science is an important branch. A very important one. But it's only a branch.

And it has got too big for its bark. It has unscientifically got it into its head that it is the plant and thus should rule. Evolution is the wedge.

It wants hegemony. It has no clue what things will be like if it gets it and snootily turns up its nose at even contemplating that ***""""VITAL""""*** matter. The ONLY matter of substance worth discussing.

And it is proving its betrayal of the mighty Faustian project which gave us our unique science by refusing to contemplate that because the very core of the project is "Care for the future" and, if this thread is anything to go by, it doesn't give a shite about the future.

Journalism has blown its head off. It doesn't understand its own culture. Like monkeys don't.

I suggest plant propagation should replace evolution in biology lessons because we are going to need more food and this lot on here want the kids to look at some old bones which we don't even know are genuine just because that's what they do.
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farmerman
 
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Tue 19 Feb, 2008 05:25 pm
do you write paragraphs like Quentin Tarrantino writes scripts? In the hope that theyll magically come together and make sense? Or are you just kecking up words?
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spendius
 
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Tue 19 Feb, 2008 06:01 pm
I hadn't previously considered that Quentin Tarrantino scripts made any sense.

Had they done so I think I would have heard of it by now.

Cary Grant scripts made sense. And Dick van Dyke's.
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spendius
 
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Tue 19 Feb, 2008 06:02 pm
Bilko.
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spendius
 
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Tue 19 Feb, 2008 06:16 pm
When you cease to uphold the key Faustian principle of "care for the future" you are a druggy. An addict.

When you daren't even contemplate it you're in denial.
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farmerman
 
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Tue 19 Feb, 2008 07:10 pm
You could waste less space by tightening up and economizing on the number of posts. Theyre all pretty much duff anyway.
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spendius
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 06:50 am
Everything's "duff" whenever you're stumped fm.
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spendius
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 08:16 am
Sheesh! Bloody Florida. Shuttle late by 1.7 seconds. Disgraceful. Something should be done about science education down there.
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Foxfyre
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 09:28 am
spendius wrote:
Sheesh! Bloody Florida. Shuttle late by 1.7 seconds. Disgraceful. Something should be done about science education down there.


Laughing
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wandeljw
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 10:25 am
spendius wrote:
Sheesh! Bloody Florida. Shuttle late by 1.7 seconds. Disgraceful. Something should be done about science education down there.


My concern is that the science education vote took place in Florida. Who knows how long the recount will take. Smile
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 11:04 am
They used paper punch ballots again? ROF
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TheCorrectResponse
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 11:05 am
Maybe then can enlist the help of some of the Florida high school science students:

One, two, three, six, nine, eleventeen, twelveteen, a thousandteen…

Shouldn't take too long!
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wandeljw
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 12:01 pm
FLORIDA UPDATE

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New Florida Standards Use Word 'Evolution'
(By BILL KACZOR, Associated Press, February 20, 2008)

Florida's public school science standards for the first time will use the word "evolution," although the biological concept already was being taught under code words such as "change over time."

The new standards, part of a set of overall science changes adopted by the State Board of Education Tuesday on a 4-3 vote, require schools to spend more class time on evolution and teach it in more detail.

The standards state that evolution is "the fundamental concept underlying all of biology and is supported by multiple forms of scientific evidence." That statement rankled opponents, some of whom had urged the board to add an academic freedom provision that would have allowed teachers to "engage students in a critical analysis of that evidence."

Evolution supporters, including mainstream scientists and clergy, told the board the academic freedom proposal was a wedge designed to open the door for injecting religious arguments into science studies.

"We know what's going on here," said board member Roberto "Bobby" Martinez, a Miami lawyer. "What we have here is an effort by people to water down our standards."

Opponents of evolution denied they had a religious motive, arguing that there are flaws in the scientific theory of evolution and that students should be allowed to explore them.

As a compromise, the standards refer to evolution as a scientific theory, explaining that a theory is a well-supported and accepted explanation of nature, not simply a claim.

The vote was the latest in a long line of public debates over evolution dating back to the Scopes Monkey Trial in 1925, when a teacher was convicted of violating Tennessee's evolution ban. That verdict was reversed on technicality, but courts later ruled evolution could be taught.

Courts subsequently barred teaching the biblical account of creation along with evolution. Most recently, a federal judge in Pennsylvania ruled that intelligent design, which holds the universe's order and complexity is so great science alone cannot explain it, also was a religious theory and could not be taught in public schools.

John Sullivan, executive director of the Florida Baptist Convention, objected to calling evolution the only fundamental concept underlying biology. He wrote in an e-mail to Education Commissioner Eric Smith that Baptists firmly believe there's evidence of a "Creator-initiated origin of life" but did not object to teaching evolution. He argued, though, its scientific weaknesses should be taught as well as its strengths.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 12:05 pm
It's obvious why he failed to identify what that "scientific weakness" is.
He also failed in explaining what proof they have on ID, and all its weaknesses.
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wandeljw
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 12:42 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
It's obvious why he failed to identify what that "scientific weakness" is.
He also failed in explaining what proof they have on ID, and all its weaknesses.


It seems like that guy and others are getting their "sound bites" directly from the Discovery Institute, c.i.
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spendius
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 02:38 pm
wande wrote-

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Is intelligent design theory a valid scientific alternative to evolutionary theory or is it only a religious view


What does what a few people, whose potential motives AIDs-ers seem unwilling to discuss, say about science education have to do with your topic wande? Doesn't the manner in which you are now debating your topic belong on the Politics forum. Surely the scientific aspect is related to universal situations not localised ones which are subject to votes and appointments and other vagaries.

What difference does it make to "science" what the Discovery Institute's sound bites are or any of the banal statements coming out of Florida or off the fingertips of AIDs-ers on here.

Does the evolution of the outward manifestations of the silicone chip disprove that its origins were not intelligently designed? Is the range of variation in those manifestations "the" fundamental concept underlying all of chip technology?

Isn't "the" fundamental concept underlying all of biology the chemistry of carbon or the physical location of the earth in the scheme of things?

I think you AIDs-ers only come on a science thread in order to feel better about yourselves. You show not the slightest sign to me of having a scientific bone in your bodies. You are ordinary Joes.

The basic fundamental principle underlying all of science is a bloodless, aloof, emotion free, abstract, disconnected, dead-pan stoicism which renders those exhibiting the scientific character profoundly unsociable.

And you have still not answered the question, you never do answer any questions, of how a science teacher can go into a class teaching a theory which 90% of Americans don't accept. Or any theory for that matter.

And why do people from the industrial north grade Florida's science standards according to their own viewpoints and then use those gradings to try to justify wedging into Florida what they want and what Floridians might not want and which might not suit their environment. It can only be personal prejudices.

English standards on this thread, viewed from here, are a lot worse that "F" in my opinion and its your native language. Philosophical and science standards are non-existent.

Before you start berating Floridians on any matters don't you think it would be good manners to set those matters straight first.

I don't think I have ever met bigoted, arrogant ignorance with a defensive shell wrap-around quite so thick as I have found on this so called science thread in my entire life. I have actually been shocked by it.

Have you AIDs-ers tried counting up the questions you have failed to answer?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 02:39 pm
spendi, Have you? LOL
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spendius
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 02:52 pm
Tell me one I haven't bearing in mind that your inability to understand my answers does not constitute my not having answered.
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