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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
Diest TKO
 
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Sun 17 Feb, 2008 07:23 pm
Chumly wrote:
Diest TKO wrote:
farmerman wrote:
Why is it that the most prestigious University Grad SChools and med schools are those in the US? ALl the world sends their elites to our elites.


This is true. While the US has laughable public elementary, Middle Schools, and High Schools, it's colleges are nothing short of stellar. My school is full of amazing international students, but they came here, not elsewhere. Our graduate programs (especially in the sciences) are very good.

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Canadian higher education is arguably the equal, minus the entrepreneurial spirit and the military-industrial-complex's deep pockets.

Money and power can buy Big Science; Nazi Germany and the post war division of scientific wherefore-all demonstrated that point well.


Chum - I won't disagree. I think however the US just has a little more resources. I might also add Germany to the list (from what I've heard about their science programs), but I hear internationals choose the US for the cost difference and avalibility in grad schools.

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Chumly
 
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Sun 17 Feb, 2008 08:57 pm
Diest TKO wrote:
Chumly wrote:
Diest TKO wrote:
farmerman wrote:
Why is it that the most prestigious University Grad SChools and med schools are those in the US? ALl the world sends their elites to our elites.


This is true. While the US has laughable public elementary, Middle Schools, and High Schools, it's colleges are nothing short of stellar. My school is full of amazing international students, but they came here, not elsewhere. Our graduate programs (especially in the sciences) are very good.

T
K
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Canadian higher education is arguably the equal, minus the entrepreneurial spirit and the military-industrial-complex's deep pockets.

Money and power can buy Big Science; Nazi Germany and the post war division of scientific wherefore-all demonstrated that point well.


Chum - I won't disagree. I think however the US just has a little more resources. I might also add Germany to the list (from what I've heard about their science programs), but I hear internationals choose the US for the cost difference and avalibility in grad schools.

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Our universities are flooded with people not having English as a first language. The cost / benefit factor is high in Canada as well. However after the education and/or scientific-technological discovery is made, Canada tends to flop out and the US tends kicks ass as per implementation.

I put that down to the US's low-tax entrepreneurial environ, and the likes of the military-industrial-complex's deep pockets.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 17 Feb, 2008 09:13 pm
Chumly, The deep pockets are here in Silicon Valley; many of the wealthy invest with these investment companies that "buy" into new companies that shows potential to become big players in the world marketplace. Silicon Valley still enjoys the availability of this money to continue its R&D before they go to market go public.

Many of the schools in our area such as Stanford, Cal Berkeley, and Santa Clara University does a great deal of research by PhDs and those working towards their advanced degrees. Many of the established companies such as HP, Apple, AMD, Intel, Microsoft, Google, and many others continues to spend a good deal of their profit in R&D.

Many of the advancements in high tech come from our area.
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Chumly
 
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Sun 17 Feb, 2008 09:20 pm
RIM reaches final BlackBerry settlement with NTP
http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/03/03/rim1-060303.html

We have Corel WordPerfect (versus Microsoft Word).

We have Bombardier (Learjet is now a subsidiary).

We have Corner Gas

For better or worse the US no longer holds the post-war premier position it once did.
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Diest TKO
 
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Sun 17 Feb, 2008 09:32 pm
Chumly wrote:
Diest TKO wrote:
Chumly wrote:
Diest TKO wrote:
farmerman wrote:
Why is it that the most prestigious University Grad SChools and med schools are those in the US? ALl the world sends their elites to our elites.


This is true. While the US has laughable public elementary, Middle Schools, and High Schools, it's colleges are nothing short of stellar. My school is full of amazing international students, but they came here, not elsewhere. Our graduate programs (especially in the sciences) are very good.

T
K
O
Canadian higher education is arguably the equal, minus the entrepreneurial spirit and the military-industrial-complex's deep pockets.

Money and power can buy Big Science; Nazi Germany and the post war division of scientific wherefore-all demonstrated that point well.


Chum - I won't disagree. I think however the US just has a little more resources. I might also add Germany to the list (from what I've heard about their science programs), but I hear internationals choose the US for the cost difference and avalibility in grad schools.

T
K
O
Our universities are flooded with people not having English as a first language. The cost / benefit factor is high in Canada as well. However after the education and/or scientific-technological discovery is made, Canada tends to flop out and the US tends kicks ass as per implementation.

I put that down to the US's low-tax entrepreneurial environ, and the likes of the military-industrial-complex's deep pockets.

Most definately. Im positive that my university does research for some sort of millitary interest. Not just millitary though. Companies pay 10,000 dollars to just submit a project per semester to have our undergraduate Mechanical engineers do their senior design project on. That's just one of our departments. Lots of money abound.

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Chumly
 
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Sun 17 Feb, 2008 09:35 pm
Today: 1 Canadian dollar = 1.000901 U.S. dollars!

Since January 2002, the once-lowly loonie has gained more than 40 per cent against the currency it's most concerned with - the American dollar.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/dollar_cdn/
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Diest TKO
 
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Sun 17 Feb, 2008 09:37 pm
Fun fact: Anhesier Busch (spell?) (whatever... we call them AB) hires so much from my university that 80% of it's engineering corp comes from Missouri S&T. In a far second place is UC-Davis. One might say my school keeps the world very drunk.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 17 Feb, 2008 09:39 pm
I know that UC Davis also graduates many of the people who work in the wine industry.
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Chumly
 
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Sun 17 Feb, 2008 09:40 pm
Seagram's made a killing during the Prohibition.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 17 Feb, 2008 09:42 pm
Probably did a lot of business with Al Capone. LOL
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Chumly
 
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Sun 17 Feb, 2008 09:45 pm
1857
The Seagram distillery in Waterloo began as the Granite Mills and Waterloo Distillery, established by William Hespeler, a merchant from Berlin (Kitchener), and George Randall, a contractor for the Grand Trunk Railway.

1863
William Roos, Randall's brother-in-law, joined the partnership, having been previously employed by the firm as a clerk.

1864
The distillery expanded to a capacity of 50,000 gallons of proof spirit per year. Joseph Emm Seagram was asked by Hespeler to look after his interests in the business while he went travelling abroad. Shortly after returning, Hespeler decided to sell his share of the business to the young Seagram.

1869
The firm of Hespeler, Randall and Roos was dissolved and a new partnership with Seagram was formed under the name of George Randall and Company.

1875
Exports of the Waterloo Distillery's products were reaching Great Britain and the United States.

1878
The partnership of Seagram, Randall and Roos was dissolved and a new partnership between Seagram and Roos was formed under the same name of George Randall and Company.

1881
The name of the company changed to Seagram & Roos.

1883
Seagram obtained sole ownership of the company, registering his new business as The Joseph Seagram Flour Mill and Distillery Company, but operating under the name Waterloo Distillery. Seagram began to concentrate on the distilling and exporting aspect of his business, gaining an international reputation for producing quality whiskies.

1911
Seagram incorporated his company under the name Joseph E. Seagram and Sons, Limited. At that time, Seagram's Sons, Edward and Thomas began to take a more active role in the company.

1919
Death of Joseph Emm Seagram. Seagram's sons assume leadership of the company.

1928
The Bronfman brothers, led by Samuel and Harry, purchased the Seagram distillery in Waterloo and amalgamated it with their company, Distillers Corporation Limited. Under the Bronfman's leadership, Distillers Corporation - Seagrams Limited became the world's largest producer of spirits.

1934
With the repeal of American Prohibition, Seagram's quality Canadian whiskies took the American market by storm.

1940s
Operations at the Waterloo plant were converted for the production of industrial alcohol for the war effort.

1957
During the company's 100th anniversary, production at the Waterloo plant expanded with construction of a centennial wing. The expansion project continued throughout the 1960s and 1970s.

1971
Death of Samuel Bronfman. The operations of the Seagram Company were placed under the leadership of his two sons, Charles and Edgar Sr.

1982
This year ushered in a period of rapid decline for the distilling industry in Canada. Throughout the 1980s, dramatic reductions in spirits sales led to the closure of distilleries across the country.

1990
The official announcement was made that the original Seagram plant in Waterloo would be closing its doors. Government taxation, declining sales and limited expansion options contributed to the company's decision to cease operations of the Waterloo distillery.

1992
The Seagram distillery in Waterloo closed representing the end of a rich industrial era.

http://www.waterloo.ca/SeagramCollection/history/plant_timeline.html
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raprap
 
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Sun 17 Feb, 2008 10:30 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Probably did a lot of business with Al Capone. LOL


More with Joe Kennedy

Rap
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Diest TKO
 
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Sun 17 Feb, 2008 11:41 pm
now that we are talking about alcohol, Spendi might actually be able to contribute.

Sing, pub prophet!

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farmerman
 
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Mon 18 Feb, 2008 12:19 am
I have no doubt in the merits of the McGills, Waterloos, Acadias, Lavals, etc. Its just that the US, in every state , has at least one elite university (well maybe no ALaska so much). We even have a second tier of the "Ivy LEague" which has been called the "Pachysandra League" .

Spendi, the HSDLA (Home SChool Defense LEague of America)., is a lobby organization. I believe that you are too busy trying to come up with your next post to properly understand that which you are comenting on. YEs Home SChoolers have such lobby and resource organizations. The curriculum is provided by the state ed board and the textbooks are payed for by tax dollars . SO the HSDLA makes sure that its many home school "members and clients" are well equipped with their freebies.

Chumly, in the mid 1960's when I visited Canada with My dad , who was selling yard engines for the Pennsy RAilroad, the Canadian Dollar was worth more than the US dollar. I remember buying fireworks and costing like a dollar fifteen for every Canadian dollar.
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Chumly
 
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Mon 18 Feb, 2008 01:00 am
Yeah the commodities boom is propelling the Loonie to new heights yet again, this time however without the impetus of high interest rates and debilitating inflation (or so goes the rationale of the economic pundits of the day).

In any case, the Canadian dollar's 40% appreciation over the last 6 years may suggest a sea change in the dollar dynamics between our two fair countries.
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real life
 
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Mon 18 Feb, 2008 01:18 am
farmerman wrote:
the HSDLA (Home SChool Defense LEague of America)., is a lobby organization.


It is primarily what it's name implies, a legal defense group. http://www.hslda.org/legal/casearchive/default.asp

The Home School Legal Defense Association provides legal services to defend families who are targeted by local school administrators and social workers for prosecution for various 'offenses' which usually turn out to be non-existent.

They also work to promote legislation that allows homeschooling families the freedom to direct their children's education.
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Chumly
 
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Mon 18 Feb, 2008 01:31 am
To the extent that home-schoolers follow an open-minded, forward-thinking, empiricism-based curricula I take little issue with home schooling.

However, I do take exception to home schooling being used as a vehicle for religious indoctrination, and similar backward-thinking such as the primitive fantasy of ID.
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Joe Nation
 
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Mon 18 Feb, 2008 05:01 am
Seagram's whiskey tastes, and has the same kick, as Maple Syrup. JMO.

A review of National Science Foundation Awards to High School students would show a greater percentage of those awards being given in States which actually teach Science.

Joe(Don't look for Florida to be in the top ten.)Nation
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spendius
 
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Mon 18 Feb, 2008 05:48 am
The Jack St Claire Kilby archives are at the Southern Methodist University.

Robert Noyce was the son of a preacher.
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wandeljw
 
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Mon 18 Feb, 2008 05:54 am
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