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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
wandeljw
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 09:52 am
FLORIDA UPDATE

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Experts Urge Florida Education Board To Adopt Creationism-Free Science Standards
(Windsor Genova, AHN News, January 24, 2008)

The National Center for Science Education (NCSE) and a science education expert have urged the Florida Board of Education to approve and adopt the final draft of state science standards that exclude teaching of the intelligent design concept in public schools.

In an interview on Wednesday, Dr. Lawrence S. Lerner, a professor emeritus at the California State University in Long Beach, said, "I think that boards of education are, of course, not experts in the subject matter, so they should take the advice of their experts and go on from there."

NCSE spokesman John Rosenau said the current science standards in Florida don't even use the word "evolution" making some biology classes lacking the fundamental organizing principle of modern biology.

"That should be worrying for people who are planning to be doctors, or who want to have doctors who are in school now, and who may want to go to medical school and be doctors down the line," Rosenau said.

The NCSE, which advocates the teaching of Darwin's Theory of Evolution in public schools, rejected calls to include creationism in the science standards saying, "In science class we teach science. Intelligent design is not science, and on that standard, it doesn't belong in a science class."

The final draft of the Florida science standards is currently being edited by the Department of Education. The Board of Education will consider the new standards at their meeting on Feb. 19.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 11:17 am
Well, so Florida fails to produce doctors, and the people of their state will suffer the consequences. Maybe, that's what's needed to turn this whole BS about ID around in their state.
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spendius
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 12:07 pm
wande- you were specifically asked how you know where the bottom of the page is. You obviously know so why are you not telling us.

And would you explain what the activities of the "circulating elites" in Florida have to do with whether ID is Science or Religion.

And it isn't clear to me yet that not using the word "evolution" in
biology classes causes a problem relating to the "fundamental organizing principle of modern biology."

Isn't Mr Rosenau's statement tautological. If he thinks using "evolution" is a fundamental organising principle of modern biology then it is obvious that he will think as he does.

What about others, such as Dr Aidley, who wrote his 500+ page The Physiology of Excitable Cells without mentioning the word, and his biology is on another plane of existence to biology lessons under the supervision of the Florida school boards?

I'm inclined to think that the NCSE should employ another spokesperson. What's a spokeman for an organisation like that doing making propaganda of the lowest type? He must think we are all thick.

But here we go--this is the business end-

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I think that boards of education are, of course, not experts in the subject matter, so they should take the advice of their experts and go on from there.


Oh yeah. Your life in their hands again. And he only "thinks" it anyway because it's a "nice little earner" as Arthur Daly used to say.

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The Lerners hope that the professorship will motivate other departments to search more diligently for promising young women.


Right on Prof. We can all agree about that.

He's busy creating a monument to his presence on earth and he looks like he brushes his hair over his baldy yed.

The Lerners, for there is a Mrs Lerner of some dignity, as one might expect,

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have set aside half of their estate to establish the Lawrence S. and Narcinda R. Lerner Professorship in the Department of Chemistry.


The Union of Gold Letter Illuminators will be chuffed about that mouthful.

I don't know if he has any kids but if he has I'll bet they're over the moon about his endowment.

Tell me wande, how does what these individuals you catch in your net have to say bear on the topic you originally posted. I daresay if one trawled in other waters, further offshore say, one might find a professor to say almost anything.

He seems to have waved the white flag at the sight of a few feminists. Mrs Lerner has him well in hand I would say.

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He now consults nationwide on K-12 science curriculum, with particular interest in the teaching of evolution in public schools.


Cash interest eh? As it's his job every utterance he utters is utterly predictable to the uttermost ends of time.

Do you mind wande! Viewers don't read here to glaze their eyeballs with that tripe. They come on to find things they don't know. It's called Able 2 Know. They don't come on to read-

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In science class we teach science. Intelligent design is not science, and on that standard, it doesn't belong in a science class.


for the n-hundredth time. And it's gibberish. There's two tautologies right there. And who is this "we".

If I offer an explanation of why ID is science and a great deal of science isn't science, as I have done, why don't you argue with that instead of taking another trip on your merry-go-round.
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spendius
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 12:15 pm
c.i. wrote-

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Well, so Florida fails to produce doctors


I very much doubt that c.i. but even if it's true, which it isn't, they could hire doctors in with the profits from Micky Mouse holidays. There's nothing revolutionary about that practice is there?
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spendius
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 12:20 pm
Florida medical education facilities-

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In the third and fourth years, students complete their required clinical rotations at one of the medical school's six regional campuses, located in Orlando, Pensacola, Sarasota, Tallahassee, Daytona Beach and Fort Pierce. In these urban centers and the surrounding rural areas, the clinical training program extends into hospitals, skilled nursing facilities, managed care organizations, private clinics and other outpatient settings.


Which just goes to show what shite we are being subjected to on this supposed Science thread.
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spendius
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 12:34 pm
Life expectancies-

Illinois 76.4

Pennsylvania 76.7

Texas 76.7

Florida 77.5

Utah 78.7 (Polygamy country).

Hells Bells. Florida is bereft of doctors eh?
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spendius
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 12:35 pm
Oh dearie,dearie me. If it wasn't for your's truly there would be no science on this thread. Just ego farting.
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maporsche
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 12:53 pm
spendius wrote:
wande- you were specifically asked how you know where the bottom of the page is. You obviously know so why are you not telling us.



Are you seriously asking this?

I may not get the joke, but it's pretty obvious that there are 10 posts on every page.

If he counts 9 posts, his post will be the 10th, and the next post will start a new page.
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spendius
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 02:52 pm
I know it's pretty obvious you silly moo.

I'm trying to get wande to actually tell us that he counts them so he can be on top of a page. If you don't know why I'm trying to get him to make such a himiliating admission you have not been reading the thread properly and are unaware, probably blissfully, that one of my themes is to link egomania with anti-ID.

Not that I think any other possibility exists but I would like viewers to see some evidence that an anti-ID world would consist of nothing but raging egomaniacs blurting assertions (with power attached these become "regulations") and that IDers do retain some residual sense of humility in the contemplation of a force in the world that transcends the microcosmic world of the self which doesn't need too much sustenance to morph into madness.

It is not only obvious that wande has been counting the posts, like someone might count Christmas cards or how a debutante's Mum actually does count, more than once, the number of requests her daughter receives for a dance at a coming out ball, (there's 3 jokes there), but it is equally obvious why I asked him how he located the bottom of the page in a what I would call a desperate attempt to be in No1 position when a threader clicks on the page.

And he knows, if you don't map, which is why he is being so shy about the matter. He prefers to draw a veil over the private parts of his ego and avoid the sort of connection which we politely don't mention in the case of a debutante's dance requests.

Moreover, he knows that I know that he knows what I mean so I'm not expecting an answer anytime soon. As one wouldn't at debutante's balls. I'm just having a bit of fun with it.

But I did catch a brief glimpse, as one can sometimes do at posh meat auctions if one positions one's chair properly and waits patiently.
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spendius
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 03:09 pm
In case any bright spark attempts the malign my literary reputation on the grounds, and they are sound grounds, that my metaphor there is weak and faulty I might say that I was merely being discreet and that I could easily render it perfect if I was challenged to do so.
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Diest TKO
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 03:31 pm
ID is inherently religious. It doens't belong in our public schools unless it is addressed exclusively in a theology or mythology course.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 05:04 pm
No religion, no ID; it's that simple. Religionists continue to claim there's a god, but they can't produce any evidence of "it." It's some mysterious thing that sees all, hears all, all the time. Quite a fete for even the most imaginary brain. What can god look like? Well, he's everywhere, and it's a he.
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spendius
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 06:09 pm
Not for me c.i.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 07:04 pm
We all know too well, spendi. You are unique in this world.
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spendius
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 07:11 pm
Only in a biologically pedantic sense. And biology is a very strange subject.

I would like to give those school board Mammies a lesson in biology.
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real life
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 08:58 pm
Diest TKO wrote:
ID is inherently religious. It doens't belong in our public schools unless it is addressed exclusively in a theology or mythology course.

T
K
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Panspermia is a form of ID, and it is believed by a fair number of atheists.

Also, Foxfyre has pointed out that ID was represented in Greek thought by non-theists as well.
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maporsche
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 09:23 pm
real life wrote:

Panspermia is a form of ID, and it is believed by a fair number of atheists.


And as I pointed out, the beings required to bring life to the Earth would have to have been intelligent as well, and if humans require a designer, so do these aliens, unless you're suggesting that the only intelligent life that requires a designer are humans.
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maporsche
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 09:29 pm
And it is pretty silly to bring up early philosophy into a discussion of today's intelligent design movement. Much has been discovered since Plato/Aristotle that sheds some light on the apparent design, not the least of which is Darwin's evolution.
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farmerman
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 09:38 pm
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Panspermia is a form of ID
[No its not

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Also, Foxfyre has pointed out that ID was represented in Greek thought by non-theists as well.

In your dreams. The argument was rather lame, sort of like your insistence that Newton represents Creationism, when in the time, the very distinction had not been even developed as a comparison to "Evolution".
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blatham
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 10:10 pm
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biology is a very strange subject.


That's a very strange sentence fragment.
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