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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
blatham
 
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Tue 13 Sep, 2005 07:11 am
from the Columbia Journalism Review...
Quote:
Undoing Darwin
By Chris Mooney and Matthew C. Nisbet

On March 14, 2005, The Washington Post's Peter Slevin wrote a front-page story on the battle that is "intensifying across the nation" over the teaching of evolution in public-school science classes. Slevin's lengthy piece took a detailed look at the lobbying, fund-raising, and communications tactics being deployed at the state and local level to undermine evolution. The article placed a particular emphasis on the burgeoning "intelligent design" movement, centered at Seattle's Discovery Institute, whose proponents claim that living things, in all their organized complexity, simply could not have arisen from a mindless and directionless process such as the one so famously described in 1859 by Charles Darwin in his classic, The Origin of Species.
http://www.cjr.org/issues/2005/5/mooney.asp
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Steve 41oo
 
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Tue 13 Sep, 2005 08:04 am
I'm inclined to let the creationists wallow in the cesspit of their own prejudices. And if they want to tie a mill stone to the mind of every child they can get their hands on let them. But they wont get their hands on our children.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 13 Sep, 2005 08:10 am
Steve, Don't get too comfortable just yet. We all thought England was safe from extremists not that long ago. Religious crazies comes in all forms in most environments.
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wandeljw
 
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Tue 13 Sep, 2005 08:43 am
Blatham gave a link to a recent article in the Columbia Journalism Review. The article mainly deals with how the media has been covering the evolution debate in the United States. The media has (sometimes unintentionally) given the impression that intelligent design proponents have as much science behind their arguments as those who defend evolutionary theory. In reality, their is no debate among scientists regarding evolution. We would be grossly misleading young students if we imply that intelligent design theory has equal standing with evolutionary theory.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Tue 13 Sep, 2005 09:02 am
glad to hear that wandel

ci point taken
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wandeljw
 
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Tue 13 Sep, 2005 10:42 am
DOVER PENNSYLVANIA UPDATE

The Dover Area School District's motion for summary judgement has been denied in an opinion issued by the court today.
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farmerman
 
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Tue 13 Sep, 2005 10:46 am
This now means that settlement is the only way that the IDers can avoid the trial, right ?.
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blatham
 
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Tue 13 Sep, 2005 11:03 am
Quote:
The Daily Show: September 12, 2005
Posted Sep 13, 2005, 12:35 AM ET by Annie Wu
Filed under: Comedy, OpEd, Late Night, Cable, The Daily Show

Welcome to The Daily Show's special week-long report: "Evolution Schmevolution". This week, the team goes deep into the treacherous bowels of the evolution/creationism debate and promise to find an answer by Thursday. Next week, a court case from Dover, Pennsylvania will decide whether intelligent design -- which President Bush supports -- is religion or science. This is an ongoing debate of whether we're made of fairy tales or random globs of cells.

Whether you believe or not, you've got to admit that creation myths have allowed man to laugh at and ridicule other cultures for thousands of years (Haha, those Aztecs are so full of crap -- we should kill them). The most widely accepted creation myth in our country is that humans were made from clay and that a woman sprung forth from a man's rib. It just make sense.

The father of evolution, Charles Darwin, published The Origin of Species over a hundred years ago. This publication pretty much said that man was not special. We eat, fight, reproduce just like all the other animals. There's nothing we can do that other animals cannot do... Even those stupid dogs can play poker. It's a tough debate, kids. One side says that you're primitive and the other side says you're godless.

To go more in-depth, Ed Helms reports from Dayton, Tennessee, an old site of the Evolutionary War. It was here that the Scopes "Monkey" Trial went down and it looks like the entire town has dedicated themselves to preserving the old-timey feel. Surely, they're acting because there's no way they can still be so bent on the issue. Helms speaks to a resident about her views and she gives an alarmingly firm stand against evolution. All Helms can manage to do is quietly add, "That's good stuff". He has a good laugh with the resident about giving sodomites a good whipping (ahh, sodomites... what would we do without you?). Helms is very excited about being here because there's no way this can all be real... if it was, it'd be ******* terrifying.

It's time to take a quick break from the topic of evolution and move on to the second installment of "Meet the F**kers". The Katrina situation is slowly getting better because residents are starting to be allowed re-entry, electricity is partially restored, and frat guys are demanding to see some tits. Plus, FEMA head Michael Brown is out of here! Huzzahs all around from the crowd. Seems like both Brown and Michael Chertoff have been on edge lately... Chertoff's been particularly snippy towards reporters. Silly man. As for slightly less prominent figures, it's time to "Meet the Little F**kers". Senator Mary Landrieu recently gave an angry speech about the response and the later appeared on FOX News to say that it's not the time for finger-pointing. Wow. That's fully worthy of a slow clap. New Orleans mayor Ray Nagin has been questioned about the pictures of several buses under water... buses that could've been used to move people out of the city before the hurricane. Nagin response seems annoyingly laid back. We'll see if he's so calm at the next election.

Tonight's guest is Chris Mooney, writer of The Republican War on Science. The basic premise of his new book is that the current administration is misusing science. It's not as though this is anything new for a government to do but this administration seems to be doing it a lot more. The scientific community -- which consists of people with names like Yergen Ransomwitz -- say that it's easy to dismiss a lot of scienitific research because it's not 100% clear. A lot of it will never be 100% clear because, after all, it is science. What the administration can do about things like global warming and stem cell research is take the information that's been given and work with it, rather than dismiss it for having holes. Mooney worries that one day scientific debates will rely solely upon who's presenting it (kind of like OJ Simpson hiring good people to say, "DNA means nothing!" and winning).

Prepare for tomorrow! The "Evolution Schmevolution" report continues with guest Kurt Vonnegut (totally calls for an "OMG!"). Now here it is, your Moment of Zen: A recording about homosexual marriage and crimes against nature... Sounds like something from 1925. Believe it or not, it was recorded last year. Scary.
http://www.tvsquad.com/2005/09/13/the-daily-show-september-12-2005/
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wandeljw
 
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Tue 13 Sep, 2005 11:15 am
farmerman wrote:
This now means that settlement is the only way that the IDers can avoid the trial, right ?.

Yes!

The judge ruled that there are material issues under the establishment clause to proceed with the trial. (The establishment clause applies to local government entities through the Fourteenth Amendment.)
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wandeljw
 
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Tue 13 Sep, 2005 11:23 am
blatham,

I love The Daily Show! They are doing a four day series on the evolution debate. The producer of the show promised that their series of reports will end the evolution debate once and for all.
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blatham
 
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Tue 13 Sep, 2005 12:04 pm
wandeljw

I often forget to watch it and should slap myself silly for the ommission. Stewart and company are the perfect antidote for much that ails me.
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farmerman
 
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Tue 13 Sep, 2005 12:22 pm
Last nights opening remarks were not up to the shows normal high standards of satire. The only part I liked was the discussion of "species adaptation" Stewart showed examples of Galapogos finches that had specially adapted beaks to, crack heavy seeds, pick up finer seeds, and open wine bottles.

I hope the rest of the week is better. They say that theyre going somewhere with this.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 13 Sep, 2005 12:33 pm
A little history on the teaching of evolution:

"In 1925, Darrow traveled to Daytona, Tennessee where without a fee, he defended the right of science teacher John T. Scopes to teach Darwin's theory of evolution in public school. Darrow lost the highly-publicized "monkey trial," which was reversed in appeal and the basis for Spencer Tracy's classic film, Inherit The Wind (1960)."
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Milfmaster9
 
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Tue 13 Sep, 2005 05:26 pm
ID is dumb... The end...
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spendius
 
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Tue 13 Sep, 2005 05:29 pm
Hear Hear!!

It's the equivalent of what Russia has in the south.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 13 Sep, 2005 05:30 pm
Milfmaster9 wrote:
ID is dumb... The end...


Wearing baseball caps backwards is "dumb."

ID doesn't get up to that standard.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 13 Sep, 2005 05:35 pm
Even when wearing a baseball cap backward, it still covers the head. ID does nothing of the kind.
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Milfmaster9
 
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Tue 13 Sep, 2005 06:50 pm
Guys, I know why nobody has rebuked us yet...

Mormons can't use computers!!!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 13 Sep, 2005 07:09 pm
Milf wrote: "Mormons can't use computers!!! "

Is this really true?
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Milfmaster9
 
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Tue 13 Sep, 2005 07:15 pm
well isn't against their teaching??
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