Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

Sorry wande-- I'm not ploughing through all that shite one more bloody time and I feel sure I speak for those amongst us who have seen enough of it by now to have got the picture. People squabble. Especially low level "circulating elites" in the provinces.

There is no update as somebody said. It's about making waves, getting your profile shown, sounding good, going to meetings, getting dressed up, being in one of the swims, getting laid I shouldn't wonder, and promises of higher things luring them ever onwards into the spotlight.

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Good post Wande! Keep them coming. We all need to know what steps are being taken to improve our dismal science education in this country.

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Yeh, good post Wand. It's like a pre-game warm-up before the big game Smile

I can't wait to see ID get its ass kicked in court again. I'm looking forward to another summary assessment like "Breathtaking Inanity", that was so sweet. Or how 'bout Michael Behe admitting that in order to broaden the definitions of science to include ID, it would also have to include Astrology, that was great.

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Astrology is a metaphor. A bit like MTWTFSS is a metaphor for that period of time we call a week but which has no reality outside of religious organisation.

Explaining the science in back of astrology and why the metaphor is necessary is obviously pointless when directed towards those who hang breathlessly upon the words of Mss Mary-Jane, Carol, Kathryn, Judi, Debra, Donna and the aptly named Kane and pass by Oswald Spengler on the grounds that they can't understand a word he said and so they are jolly well going to stick to the simple stuff such as-

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And why does mom have brown hair and I have blonde hair?

through thick and thin with a rictus glee on their fissogs and, worse than that, much worse, attempting to distract young readers here from the words of a master and thus provide a glimpse into the future should we ever allow them to get their greedy and grasping hands on the educational system so that they can render everybody's mind as arid and materialistic as their own.

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map wrote-

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Good post Wande! Keep them coming. We all need to know what steps are being taken to improve our dismal science education in this country.

One can taste the dejection and defeatism in that.

What was "good" about wande's post map? Explain please. It was a pile of horseshit. Mares mainly.

It's quite obvious you guys know no science. That's why you like evolution. It's simplicity. Pretend it's science, learn off a few mantras and you can pretend you're a flipping scientist. It's similar to make-up for ladies. Tarting up the persona.

A scientist would piss his pants hearing somebody say "Good post" about that mush wande shoved our way.

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spendius wrote:

map wrote-

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Good post Wande! Keep them coming. We all need to know what steps are being taken to improve our dismal science education in this country.

One can taste the dejection and defeatism in that.

What was "good" about wande's post map? Explain please. It was a pile of horseshit. Mares mainly.

It's quite obvious you guys know no science. That's why you like evolution. It's simplicity. Pretend it's science, learn off a few mantras and you can pretend you're a flipping scientist. It's similar to make-up for ladies. Tarting up the persona.

A scientist would piss his pants hearing somebody say "Good post" about that mush wande shoved our way.

I'm so used to reading the garbage you spew forth that Wande's post was a welcome sight.

His article was a journalism piece about the challenges to evolution in Florida. I don't understand why that is so upsetting to you. I for one appreciate the updates that he provides regarding attempts to inject religion into our public school science classes. Knowledge is power.

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spendius wrote:

It's quite obvious you guys know no science.

And please, elaborate on how obvious this is (citing specific examples). And who qualifies as "you guys"?

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Thanks, maporsche and rosborne! I will try to keep updates coming. Spendi's reactions have become tired and predictable.

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wande-

Are you saying my two posts relating to Spengler are "tired and predictable" compared to local newspaper editorials.

Your failure to offer any response to them and to the significant questions I asked and rl asked are "tired and predictable" and, indeed timid, to be kind about it.

I think young intelligent viewers will be quite capable of making their own minds up about what is "tired and predictable" and about people who assert such things in order to reassure themselves.

If you are only addressing unintelligent viewers we can hardly expect, or desire, your viewpoints to penetrate into the higher echelons of educational theory. Speak to your claque by all means. It gets more desperate as time goes by. It is reduced to recylcing old newspapers and sneers, sarcasms and trite assertions which one can hear in any pub bar.

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Looks like another court case may be a brewin in Fla. I wonder how the folks at Ave MAria U are weighing in on this? Dr Domino (the founder) has claimed up and down that Ave Maria offers top notch accredited curricula of the sciences.
The correct answer is that Dr Domino will stand behind the IDers and infuse their cause with moocho dinero . If a court fight shows up in Fla, I dont thi nk that itll be as simple as Dover,(where the aspects of fraud and extortion by the school board president clearly weighed in as much as the aspects of "ID is just another anatomical portion of Creation ism") .

I think the case will be made at the STate Level in Fla and any case brought will involve some smoke screen having purely political provenance and we wont even see the science v religion arguments being played.
Like Cal where the "viewpoint descrimination" issue can be a worthy test in court.
The IDers do learn from their mistakes and Im sure that theres some bigger and brighter being that is pushing the Fla officials buttons.

(Or am I just being overly cautious)

I see the "free expression" clause as the issue rather than the "establishment" clause and consequently, I can see the USSC (in its present makeup) tossing out edwards v Aguillard.

At least thats the way I wish that wed think about how serious these two state cases could become. Id hate the US to become the Uzbekistan of science.

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Now there is the sort of post I like to see on this thread.

It's a pity the last sentence was included though. There's no chance fm.

I don't see the USSC coming to any other conclusion at any time in the forseeable future that this one will. Mr Behe will be long gone in that courtroom.

Have any candidates declared their atheism yet? As far as I can see, which isn't very far, your side hasn't even got a candidate and that's in a field which looks somewhat weak.

That ex-Mayor, who milked 9/11 goodstyle, makes my hair curl even more than it already is. And the "wronged woman" is known to be a danger to her own self.

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Happy New Year all. Ill be doin barn duty tonight so, no more goofing off .

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Fall out the high powered imaginations!!

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wandeljw wrote:

FLORIDA UPDATE

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The proposed changes, which would require that students recognize that fossil evidence is consistent with the idea that human beings evolved from earlier species

Rather than simply teaching that evolution is a scientific theory blah blah blah.....................

.....................the wording here makes it sound like the goal is mandating belief in it, not just understanding of the concept.

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If the students don't believe it then they must believe in some other explanations as possibilities which opens up the notion that the contention of those claiming that the fossil evidence is proof, or is consistent with, man being an animal is itself a belief which then calls into question the whole edifice and the integrity of those who claim that.

Obviously, if man is an animal then any non-animal like behaviour by human beings then requires an explanation and any animal like behaviour cannot be condemned on moral grounds.

Hence, when the ladies of the school boards pretty themselves up (i.e. deliberately generate sexually arousing significations) their only defence against rape is to be confined to the quarters of their male keepers who will guard them like property.

It's a laugh a minute.

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After listing a few high profile "scientific facts" relating to health issues and now proved wrong, Randolph M. Nesse, a psychiatrist at Michigan University, wrote-

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How can this be? Everyone is trying so hard to encourage innovation! The Regents take great pains to find a President who supports integrity and creativity, the President chooses exemplary Deans, who mount massive searches for the best Chairs. Those Chairs often hire supporters who work in their own areas, but what if one wants to hire someone doing truly innovative work, someone who might challenge established opinions? Faculty committees intervene to ensure that most positions go to people just about like themselves, and the Dean asks how much grant overhead funding a new faculty member will bring in. No one with new ideas, much less work in a new area or critical of established dogmas, can hope to get through this fine sieve. If they do, review committees are waiting. And so, by a process of unintentional selection, diversity of thought and topic is excluded. If it still sneaks in, it is purged. The disciplines become ever more insular. And universities find themselves unwittingly inhibiting progress and genuine intellectual engagement. University leaders recognize this and hate it, so they are constantly creating new initiatives to foster innovative interdisciplinary work. These have the same lovely sincerity as new diets for the New Year, and the same blindness to the structural factors responsible for the problems.

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spendi:
If the students don't believe it then they must believe in some other explanations as possibilities which opens up the notion that the contention of those claiming that the fossil evidence is proof, or is consistent with, man being an animal is itself a belief which then calls into question the whole edifice and the integrity of those who claim that.

Do you know how to write a proper English sentence?

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Man being an animal is not a belief.

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c.i. wrote-

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Do you know how to write a proper English sentence?

If you can't pick up the rhythm of that it is hardly my fault.

I did think of a comma after "possibilities" but decided against it.

It reads like a dream to me. Did you have to show your Grandmother how to suck eggs?

Practice reading it out loud with some breath control and getting the bounces in the right place.

On second thoughts you might be better not doing. It's meaning might come through and that you are managing to avoid by your tried and tested methods.

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spendius wrote:

Did you have to show your Grandmother how to suck eggs?

What on earth are you rambling about?

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