Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

But those who claim to have experienced God and via that experience know ID to be fact number into the millions. Can you say something is extraordinary when many millions of people, that cloud of witnesses, testify to the experience? Not belief based on teaching, mind you, but experience.

Science is not able to test my reported experience re temperature however. If I and all those others report to the scientist that the stove was hot or cold or something in between when we touched it, all the known scientific principles and processes in the world will not assist the scientist to prove or disprove what we tell him.

But those who claim to have experienced God and via that experience know ID to be fact number into the millions. Can you say something is extraordinary when many millions of people, that cloud of witnesses, testify to the experience?

. . . and Spendi is like your own personal Renfield going henh henh henhhhh..

Foxfyre wrote:

But those who claim to have experienced God and via that experience know ID to be fact number into the millions. Can you say something is extraordinary when many millions of people, that cloud of witnesses, testify to the experience?

It depends on the basic assumptions you use to view the world.

If you already believe in the supernatural, then no claim is ever really extraordinary. Ghosts and Demons, Gnomes and Fairies, Gods and Devils, an endless pantheon of possibilities are all equally valid. Many people belive in Ghosts and Demons, Zombies, Vampires, Witches, Shades and Spirits, does the fact that millions believe in that make them true. Of course not.

But if you approach the world scientifically, then it doesn't matter how many people believe it, it's still an extraordinary claim.

I could also summon an image of Spendi snatching the flies out of the air and eating them . . .

What do you cal the student who graduated last in his or her medical class?

Foxy, you want in the worst way to make some kind of point, Valid or not, and Spendi is like your own personal Renfield going henh henh henhhhh..

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But those who claim to have experienced God and via that experience know ID to be fact number into the millions. Can you say something is extraordinary when many millions of people, that cloud of witnesses, testify to the experience? Not belief based on teaching, mind you, but experience.

I can see a cathedral or a large tent filled with people all claiming the same revelation. DO I believe it? Hell no, and, AND, its something we dont even bother with. You wish to claim that mass delusion is proof of something, the BURDEN IS ON YOU, NOT ME.
Also, I guess I dont understand anything about your point about the stove.

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Science is not able to test my reported experience re temperature however. If I and all those others report to the scientist that the stove was hot or cold or something in between when we touched it, all the known scientific principles and processes in the world will not assist the scientist to prove or disprove what we tell him.

why not? what are you missing?

I could also summon an image of Spendi snatching the flies out of the air and eating them . . .

Foxfyre wrote:

But those who claim to have experienced God and via that experience know ID to be fact number into the millions. Can you say something is extraordinary when many millions of people, that cloud of witnesses, testify to the experience?

It depends on the basic assumptions you use to view the world.

If you already believe in the supernatural, then no claim is ever really extraordinary. Ghosts and Demons, Gnomes and Fairies, Gods and Devils, an endless pantheon of possibilities are all equally valid. Many people belive in Ghosts and Demons, Zombies, Vampires, Witches, Shades and Spirits, does the fact that millions believe in that make them true. Of course not.

But if you approach the world scientifically, then it doesn't matter how many people believe it, it's still an extraordinary claim.

Assertions are meat and drink for Spurious--in fact, i'd say he'd have almost nothing to post without assertions.

My whole point, however, is that your not believing me does not falsify my claim as to what I have experienced.

And it is for this reason, that no science teacher worth his salt would tell a child that there is no Intelligent Design for the universe.

If you already believe in the supernatural, then no claim is ever really extraordinary. Ghosts and Demons, Gnomes and Fairies, Gods and Devils, an endless pantheon of possibilities are all equally valid. Many people belive in Ghosts and Demons, Zombies, Vampires, Witches, Shades and Spirits, does the fact that millions believe in that make them true. Of course not.

And it is for this reason, that no science teacher worth his salt would tell a child that there is no Intelligent Design for the universe.