Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

Ill alert the media.

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There certainly is, in the sense that there is no scientific delineation of so-called "class".

I bet I could take one look a you Chum in your best bibs and place you fairly accurately on the scale.

And there would, in my opinion, be a delineation of social class in a materialist world. I've already mentioned that in relation to restaurants. The elaboration of the procedures is what is obscuring your view. Or perhaps never having looked.

Within your subjective spendi-scale precepts you might try, but I'll first warn you that not only am I am well-toned nudist, but in Canada clothes do not make the man. Further you have yet to inform me of the scientifically derived disciplines that you base your claims of assessing so-called "class".

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Chum-

Do you place the cutelry in the proper positions on the table before dining and is there a difference between the arrangement on an ordinary day and that at Christmas dinner?

Do you sport a ring? Have your hair trimmed? Shave? Use afterastringents? Wear any bling? Do you polish your shoes? Do you like Johnny Cash recordings? Do you read ZIT? How do you pronounce "controversy" If you read The Guardian that would get close on its own.

My narrowing down would include much more of course but it wouldn't proceed on anything you said. I might have exaggerated with "one look" but that's in the way of poetic licence which, I'm afraid, often passes by those with a pedantic caste of mind. Which is itself a signifier.

I gather even nudists camps have class stratification systems.

PS- Is this nudism lark any good. I heard it was a bunch of old codgers wanking in the bushes as the ladies play netball. Is that right?

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Ill alert the media.

Don't bother fm. They are already alert.

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Is Buttars the REAL CAPTAIN CHAOS???.

Coincidence??

I think not!!

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fm wrote-

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Ill alert the media.

It struck me on further cogitation in the pub that this remark is typical of the AIDser's tendency to underestimate everyone.

As if our blood-hound-media are waiting on the end of the phone for fm to tell them some important inside information, which only someone of his high scientific intellectualism could have figured out, and thrumming in trembling expectation and snatching up the handset at the first ping.

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spendi wrote:

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Do you place the cutelry in the proper positions on the table before dining

Yup, pretty much. Its efficient.

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and is there a difference between the arrangement on an ordinary day and that at Christmas dinner?

Nope, other than a formal dinner setting calls for more tableware than everyday.

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Do you sport a ring?

Nope - dangerous around machinery & electrical stuff.

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Have your hair trimmed?

What hair?

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Shave?

Don't even own a razor - trim up the beard once in a while with scissors, though - don't think that really counts.

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Use afterastringents?

No cause to - though I've found cut tobacco will help to staunch major bleeding from a major screwup.

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Wear any bling?

Not unless flannel, leather, wool, cotton, & denim count.

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Do you polish your shoes?

Don't much wear shoes ... pretty scrupulous about waterproofing my boots, though.

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Do you like Johnny Cash recordings?

Very much so.

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Do you read ZIT?

VIZ is much better - and still around.

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How do you pronounce "controversy"

Phonetically by American standard, and without pretense.

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If you read The Guardian that would get close on its own.

How so?

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My narrowing down would include much more of course but it wouldn't proceed on anything you said. I might have exaggerated with "one look" but that's in the way of poetic licence which, I'm afraid, often passes by those with a pedantic caste of mind. Which is itself a signifier.

I gather even nudists camps have class stratification systems.

PS- Is this nudism lark any good. I heard it was a bunch of old codgers wanking in the bushes as the ladies play netball. Is that right?

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Ill alert the media.

Don't bother fm. They are already alert.

Point made.

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You're a hick timber although the Johnny Cash recordings show a chink of hope for your eventual rehab. Sparks of idealism are always a good sign.

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Sorry-

Correction.

The formal dinner placings hold out hope for a complete recovery.

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spendius wrote:

Do you place the cutelry in the proper positions on the table before dining and is there a difference between the arrangement on an ordinary day and that at Christmas dinner?

Canadians don't have a word for cutlery, the closest word would be culturally, and in that sense we simply affix our food to our fingers with maple syrup.

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Do you sport a ring?

Canadians don't have a word for sport, the closest word would be hockey, and real man's hockey uses a puck, not a ring.

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Have your hair trimmed?

In Canada beavers do the trimming, and they strip the wood bare.

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Shave?

Hardwood floors are most popular with real men as Canadians sport a lot of wood.

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Use afterastringents?

A splash or two of the pure natural spring waters of my country are all that's required.

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Wear any bling?

Yes my snowmobile has a dogwood flower stopping the throttle from fully opening, this helps to preserve Canada's pristine air.

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Do you polish your shoes?

Canadians do not use nationalities, Polish or otherwise.

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Do you like Johnny Cash recordings?

Canadians do not recognize Cash, we use Loonies also the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission severely restricts the amount of foreign content.

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Do you read ZIT?

Canada's health care system takes care of such infectious issues.

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How do you pronounce "controversy"

Canadians have exempted the need to pronounce the word controversy, it's been replaced with Muticulturism.

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If you read The Guardian that would get close on its own.

The only time the word guard (in any of its forms) is used with regularity by Canadians is when we sing the national anthem. O Canada, we stand on guard for thee

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PS- Is this nudism lark any good. I heard it was a bunch of old codgers wanking in the bushes as the ladies play netball. Is that right?

Nudism is the norm for all real Canadians, how else can you make a proper impression when making a snow angel?

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[[[[Stands and Applauds Chumly post]]]]] .

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Glad you liked it! I feel it represents a new high in lowdowness.

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Oh-I don't know. It's not that lowdown by ZIT standards.

I have noticed that AIDsers often approve of other AIDser's efforts. It helps keep their spirits up I suppose. It's a form of self-flattery and provides comforting reassurance.

Definitely beta minus (second class). Strong desire to practice irony suitable at that level. Tart's knickers curtains. Bridge's cocktails. Granville Island produce. Whistlers on wedding anniversary. Home decor by Urban Barns. Gastown loft apartment. Holt Renfrew underwear. Ben Elton fan.
Centre-right leaning left on personally sensitive issues. Socially responsible. Bird table plus accessories. Reserved up to a point. 40-45 Christmas cards. 6 inches (approx). Puckered ringpiece. Charmin.

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spendi, YOU are the one that supplied the "set-up" lines Timber and Chumly merely responded. If you could have said it in a witty fashion, Im sure you would have.

We only get one chance at stand-up.

OK try again spendi

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Socially responsible. Bird table plus accessories. Reserved up to a point. 40-45 Christmas cards. 6 inches (approx). Puckered ringpiece. Charmin.

I was keeping up real good till I ran into this sentence. I need a glossary of terms. Whatdoes a "puckered ring piece" have to do with Charmin toilet paper? and , while were at it, what is a puckered ring piece? (Im sure your not talking about organic chemistry)

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A puckered ringpiece is a nipsy, or chocolate starfish , frayed by long practice of the centre-parting perversion which is reputed to be an enjoyable form, for those so socialised, of solo balloon knot sports in which the competitors sit on sturdy timber benches forcibly imitating the sound of a particularly agitated mallard drowning in a vat of custard whilst leaning forward at an angle of 45 degrees which facilitates the conjured up air-biscuit's progress towards the nether collar stud region as if it was Evel Kneivel taking off over twenty double-decker buses. (Avoid naked flames.)

"Excuse me your Majesty but the Duchess has been practicing her centre-parting again and has broken her tiara." The House of Happiness by Barbara Cartland.

Centre=parting should be avoided within 24 hours of dining in Joe's Bombay Curry House.

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A "puckered ring" is also a specific structure in a cyclohexane. We all see words from different eprspectives. I think that would be an interesting thread , you know, many cultures separated by common languages?

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Yes-

Religion and science are words that can easily be seen from different perspectives.

The habitual unconscious practice of pecuniary emulation is very often not thought to be religious by those who are so imbued with its doctrines and rituals that they think it is in the natural order of things.

It can achieve miracles which make water into wine small beer indeed. It can, for example, raise the Dow Jones free from gravitational forces.

And science with assertions is a form of lower middle-class belief system which is considered heretical in some quarters.

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One might easily pretend one doesn't own a copy of Mr Mencken's The American Language and seek to dazzle fellow threaders with one's erudition but that isn't the sort of trick an English gentleman would ever stoop to deploy.

A definition of an English gentleman. A mature male who still has to ask his mother's permission.

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Book Description: New York The Macmillan Company 1899, 1899. "ONE OF THE MOST PROVOCATIVE BOOKS WRITTEN BY AN AMERICAN INTELLECTUAL": FIRST EDITION OF VEBLEN'S LANDMARK THEORY OF THE LEISURE CLASS, A BEAUTIFUL COPY VEBLEN, Thorstein. The Theory of the Leisure Class: An Economic Study in the Evolution of Institutions. New York: Macmillan, 1899. First edition of one of the masterpieces of American social thought and economic theory. Octavo, original green cloth, top edge gilt. Very minor rubbing to joints and tips, else a fine copy. "Almost a century after its original publication, Thorstein Veblen's work is as fresh and relevant as ever. Veblen's Theory of the Leisure Class is in the tradition of Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations and Thomas Hobbes' Leviathan, yet it provides a surprisingly contemporary look at American economics and society. Establishing such terms as 'conspicuous consumption' and 'pecuniary emulation,' Veblen's most famous work has become an archetype not only of economic theory, but of historical and sociological thought as well. An iconoclastic masterpiece of American social thought. Veblen assails the sacrosanct concepts borrowed from evolutionary biology and used to justify social inequality. The fruit of much lonely study and contemplation, this first book of Veblen's catapulted hm to prominence at the age of 42. Thoroughly independent and ornery in his living and thinking, Veblen began here his long and provocative criticism of the business enterprise system. his ideas were seminal and his influence is continuous" (100 Influential American Books). With this work Veblen also launched a radical critique of conventional economics, which he viewed as an assemblage of intellectual fictions, out of touch with economic reality-and worse, used to camouflage injustice in the name of natural laws. In place of traditional theory, Veblen introduced the concept of "Institutionalism," according to which economic behavior is conditioned by particular cultural value systems. Veblen's challenge to conventional economic analysis achieved immediate and lasting influence. But unlike such Institutionalists as Commons and Ely, Veblen offered no program of practical reform. For Veblen change was at best evolutionary and impersonal, dependent at this historical moment on the rise of a new class of technocrats whose predilection for rational efficiency might replace the pecuniary values of the captains of industry. "One of the most provocative books written by an American intellectual" (Adams, Radical Literature, 59). A fine, fresh copy. HBS 62873. Bookseller Inventory # 62873

Paperbacks are only £1 and just as funny.

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It's just what a technocrat, whose predilection for rational efficiency is in gear, needs to avoid the humiliation of cleaning seafood out of his bowthrusters and the disgrace of shooting little defenceless creatures.

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