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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
spendius
 
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Wed 21 Jun, 2006 11:54 am
FA-

I did miss the Shakespeare allusion. My head was clogged up with metaphysical shyte at the time.

Anyway, Horatio had the last laugh-

"Now cracks a noble heart--Good night,sweet prince;
And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest!--

I can't say your explanation comes close. I've heard it often. You give up too easily. A sign of pride I would say. And I've never been looked at like I'm an acne pimple about to burst.

I had thought that it was in the depths of femininity to be wanted. I was wondering if modern women have lost the plot.
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spendius
 
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Wed 21 Jun, 2006 11:59 am
c.i. wrote-

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spendi, You probably still haven't noticed it, but you're the center of gravity of jokes poked at your posts.


What jokes? I hadn't noticed any jokes. Does that stuff count as jokes in the US?
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wandeljw
 
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Wed 21 Jun, 2006 12:57 pm
spendius wrote:
What jokes? I hadn't noticed any jokes. Does that stuff count as jokes in the US?


In the U.S., most of your posts would count as jokes. Smile
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spendius
 
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Wed 21 Jun, 2006 02:33 pm
wande-

Is that right?

Even the one about the Kansas City Star?

Tell me wande, though I know you rarely answer direct questions but content yourself with a facile jibe seemingly not knowing that those of us with a bit of nonce are aware of your reason- but tell me-oh do tell me which was the best one then maybe I can get a grasp on the American sense of humour which I must admit seems to be an elusive critter.

Hey is saying "critter" American humour?

Most laughter is faked you know. It's a "pretending I'm happy" critter. Comedians specialise in providing socially acceptable excuses to do it. They even stoop to saying dirty words like "bum" or "knickers". A comedian who had worked on the QE2 cruises explained it all to me once. I actually saw him shut a yacky audience up just by shouting "toilet"."Skid marks!" is a good one.

But it is subtle allusions, which most people miss, to these sorts of things that are funny especially when they render the pompous absurd because pompous people are unaware of their general all-round absurdity which is itself absurd and all the more so to someone who is fully aware of how absurd he is,such as myself.

It is the marrow of "English" humour and it has grown out of the soil of our green and pleasant, much like most of our surnames have, over many hundreds of years . Your surnames have been thrown over your land with a shovel and do not belong on the land they live on. Hiawatha and Wisconsin and Minnesota are names that belong.

A thing like that might explain the difference in our sense of humours.

You have a Budweiser ad running in the football circus which I bet doesn't sell a bottle in England. Two smartly dressed lower middle class twits getting the mascots mixed up with the players hohoho.

One of ours showed two slobs in a scruffy flat watching the football drinking a proper beer with a vulture on the sideboard pulling a chicken apart. You know how vultures get a claw on one bit and the beak on another and pull a sinew till it snaps. It was doing that. There was a picture of a beaver on the wall too only a bit shaded. It wasn't a bit posh.

I think it was a chicken. Are you a chicken consciousness person wande?

It's an ancient Sumerian religion. You are supposed to stand up making clucking noises when you see that scene at the end of Convoy when Chistofferson hits the chicken farm. It's like Catholics genuflecting.
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wandeljw
 
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Wed 21 Jun, 2006 02:36 pm
spendi,

Your genius at comedy is that you make your humor seem unintentional. Smile
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 21 Jun, 2006 02:39 pm
Poor spendi doesn't even know how popular Budweiser is in England. He's too isolated in one pub, and his ability to comprehend anything outside of that pub is non-existent.

http://www.cocktail.uk.com/shop/products/budweiser-gifts.asp
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spendius
 
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Wed 21 Jun, 2006 03:35 pm
wande wrote-

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spendi,

Your genius at comedy is that you make your humor seem unintentional.


That's the English style. The odd thing is that there's quite a lot in old American movies. Shakespeare kills me. Elliot Ness was a hoot. It's all changed now of course. Once movie stars become rich they soon start taking themselves seriously. We used to fall about watching Mackenroe (?) have a tantrum.

c.i. wrote-

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Poor spendi doesn't even know how popular Budweiser is in England. He's too isolated in one pub, and his ability to comprehend anything outside of that pub is non-existent.


I'd bet the tip of your tounge was peeping out of the corner of your mouth conscientiously composing that mush.

I was using up some of the air miles of my poetic licence you pedantic twit.

Pub!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 21 Jun, 2006 04:13 pm
Your so-called "wit" is non-existent as is your humour - you drunken sloth. Wink
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rosborne979
 
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Wed 21 Jun, 2006 04:25 pm
wandeljw wrote:
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School fight is over 'B.C.'
(Associated Press, June 21, 2006)

The staff of Kentucky's education department proposed guidelines this year that would eliminate the conventional designations of years as B.C. ("Before Christ") or A.D. ("Anno Domini").


Someone should tell these people that if you find a can of worms, you don't necessarily have to open it.
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spendius
 
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Wed 21 Jun, 2006 05:07 pm
ros wrote-

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Someone should tell these people that if you find a can of worms, you don't necessarily have to open it.


I opened every single one I got a chance at.
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spendius
 
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Wed 21 Jun, 2006 05:23 pm
I said c.i. and it really oughtn't to be too difficult to understand for some one who has been involved in educating the youth-

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You have a Budweiser ad running in the football circus which I bet doesn't sell a bottle in England.


Sell. Geddit?

I didn't say anything about how popular Budweiser beer is in England. Adverts are designed to increase popularity. There are a few people in England who think Americans are sophisticated and associate themselves with America by doing such things as pointedly ordering "A Budweiser please". Some have shirts with Nyew Yawk on the front or FCUK or some other crap of a similar nature but everybody laughs at their naivety.

Anyway-they don't sell any Budweiser in my pub. It goes flat after six months on the shelves and it's piss anyway.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 21 Jun, 2006 05:30 pm
If your pub is as active as you make it seem, no beer should go flat. After the third pint, who gives a shyt anyways.
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rosborne979
 
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Wed 21 Jun, 2006 05:31 pm
spendius wrote:
Anyway-they don't sell any Budweiser in my pub. It goes flat after six months on the shelves and it's piss anyway.


The one thing you've said that I agree with. Definitely piss.
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rosborne979
 
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Wed 21 Jun, 2006 05:32 pm
spendius wrote:
I opened every single one I got a chance at.


You're definitely a can opener.
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spendius
 
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Wed 21 Jun, 2006 05:50 pm
Be careful with the bottles ros. There's a genie inside them and they don't always grant your wishes in the long run.
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farmerman
 
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Wed 21 Jun, 2006 07:04 pm
The Plausibility of Life:Resolving Darwin's Dilemma-Mark Kirschner and John Gerhardt
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Reviewed by A. J. Petto
The diversity of life's forms...is so engaging and impressive that it's easy to overlook the other side of the coin:the continuity that connects all organisms. In fact, any evolutionary model that used only data on divergence and none on conservedtraits would fail to make any sense of the emergence of new species from ancestral ones. InThe Plausibility of Life, (these ) authors focus on a number of "conserved core cellular processes" that are shared by all living things. Their thesis is that the core processes represent successful innovations that are inherited by evolutionary descendants.

However, they argue that the success of these processes lies not in their highly specified functions, but in their abilities to produce quite variable outcomes under different environmental conditions.

In essence this is the negation of the "irreduscible complexity" argument of "intelligent design"...The authors show how a single molecule with a highly specific function can perform one entirely different under a different environmental condition. In otherwords, the molecular imperative for the cell is flexibility, not specificity. The apparent specificity that we observe is so reliably produced, they argue, because the genome is selected for adaptability. How else could complex organisms so full of complex biochemical and developmental pathways be produced with (such a small) genome.
The authors explore several examples to illustrate their points.(quite effectively). These include metabolic processes, bauplan evolution, and morphological specialization...(flight adaptations are included as examples of "weak linkage" and "exploratory behavior")...
In a number of well-documented cases, a protein produces a weak signal that produces a specific effect under a specific condition. The linkages between the form and function are "weak" and easily forged and/or broken without any significant genetic change in the organism. This allows new forms and pathways to be forged while retaining substantially, the same DNA sequence..

Exploratory behaviour is viewed from an organismal and a cellular level as the basis for the appearance of complex organization arising from simpler actions.(In this example , foraging by ants can seen to give rise to surficial structural elements that are retained by ants and passed on via evolution to later derivative forms such as wasps.
Conservation of core processes is a hypothesis by which the evolution of complex structures, what is now the "mousetrap argument of Mike Behe and Ken Miller" could, by conserved core processes have easily started "the mousetrap" out as a starting gate or a latch spring. ..In their view the conserved core process is geared to producing components, but the assembly and final configuration are anything but foreordained(Now remember, these are biological systems not human engineered ones, the mousetrap argument is in my opinion a stupid one on all sides)


Petto is a rather labored (and a bit pompous) reviewer who makes his point as clear as the Missouri. Ive tried to decipher some of the "Stute" speak. Kirschner and Gerhardt state in summation via an entire book , almost as an add-on to what Gould and Miller said before(although, in MHO they said it better)

Gould--"genes are not the driver of evolution , they are but the mere bookkeeping of change already occuring, Evolution of forms need not entail changes in the genome"


Ken Miller--"Evolution is taking whats already there and making it do something else"
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rosborne979
 
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Wed 21 Jun, 2006 09:44 pm
spendius wrote:
Be careful with the bottles ros. There's a genie inside them and they don't always grant your wishes in the long run.


Sometimes I worry about you Spendi. Other times I worry about those of us who have to read your posts Smile

There's no genie in the bottle for me, but good luck keeping your own genies corked. It sounds like you've had your share of battles with them.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 22 Jun, 2006 12:04 am
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Scientists rally to attack creationist schooling

Rebecca Smithers, education editor
Thursday June 22, 2006
The Guardian


The world's leading scientists yesterday urged schools to stop denying the facts of evolution amid controversy over the teaching of creationism.
The national science academies of 67 countries - including the UK's Royal Society - issued a joint statement warning that scientific evidence about the origins of life was being "concealed, denied, or confused". It urged parents and teachers to provide children with the facts about the origins and evolution of life on Earth.

Creationism includes a belief that all forms of life have always existed in their present form and that the world was formed in 4004 BC rather than 4,600 million years ago as scientists believe.

The statement was drafted by members of the Inter Academy Panel on International Issues, a global network consisting of 92 science academies. It points out that "within science courses taught in certain public systems of education, scientific evidence, data, and testable theories about the origins and evolution of life on Earth are being concealed, denied, or confused with theories not testable by science".

It went on: "We urge decision makers, teachers, and parents to educate all children about the methods and discoveries of science and foster an understanding of the science of nature. Knowledge of the natural world in which they live empowers people to meet human needs and protect the planet."

Martin Rees, president of the Royal Society, said: "There is controversy in some parts of the world about the teaching of evolution to pupils and students, so this is a timely statement that makes clear the views of the scientific community.

"I hope this statement will help those who are attempting to uphold the rights of young people to have access to accurate scientific knowledge about the origins and evolution of life on Earth."


source: Guardian, Thursday June 22, 2006, page 10/online version
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Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 22 Jun, 2006 02:48 am
rosborne979 wrote:
spendius wrote:
Anyway-they don't sell any Budweiser in my pub. It goes flat after six months on the shelves and it's piss anyway.


The one thing you've said that I agree with. Definitely piss.



One can only wonder how Spendy and Ros know what piss tastes like to make this comparison!
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spendius
 
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Thu 22 Jun, 2006 03:54 am
Surely Frank with the track record you boast about you didn't ought to need to wonder about an itsy-bitsy thing like that.
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