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Sorry to hear of your problems. Hope everything turns out OK.
Good Luck.
spendius wrote:Chum wrote-
Quote:In what way is the teaching of evolution "unnecessary", why should the teaching of evolution be deemed as "provocative"
Both questions have already been dealt with earlier. There are enough gramophones on here for me to start. Anybody really interested in the subject would have seen them. It's that lack of effort again.
Wolf wrote-
Quote:Furthermore, what proof do you have, Mr. Spendi? After all, you have given us nothing but conjecture and mere speculation on the issue.
The existence of the debate is proof of the provocative nature of evolution teaching. That has also covered earlier.
Conjecture and speculation are eminently respectable scientific strategies.
Answer the questions directly and to the point, think of all the electrons that could be saved from a fate worse than death.
Don't be daft Chum. There's a finite number of electrons in the universe isn't there?
One way of looking at this complex issue,and there are many ways,is to see modern Faustian civilisation as an excitation of self-assertive drives in the human organism. This excitation, which is inhibited in Oriental cultures, is produced by stimulations and is accompanied by a corresponding weakening of integrative tendencies. The spire of the Gothic cathedral thrusts upward in a fantastic symbol of assertion and has developed into a touchdown or winning goal and to "winning" in general.
This is an organic response of the human organism to stimulation and science confirms this tendency. All our training of young people is characterised by such stimulations which have now reached a high pitch.
Such a response to these stimulations cannot be reduced in any other way except that of reducing the stimulations. Ruthless competiveness,political enthusiam or even fanaticism and war are the inevitable result. To suggest the voluntary renunciation of such a response is ridiculous because it goes against an organic law. It is thus necessary,assuming there's a need to reduce these responses, which not everybody would favour, is to reduce the stimulations and to energise the integrative tendencies as religious worship and ritual would do.
The source of social integration is in the self-transcending tendencies and the reduction of the ego which is the function of religion.
One presumes that proponents of ID,in their higher levels,are seeking to restore a more harmonious balance although there is no doubt that some proponents of ID are simply working another field in which to satisfy assertive tendencies and are thus contributing to the problem of uncontrolled ego assertiveness. Media and the courtroom and debate are vehicles supremely adapted to their use which is why a comparison of the language used on this thread between IDers (real ones) and anti-IDers using aggression as a measure shows a definite pattern.
Anyone who wishes to buy the ego assertive tendencies and sell the integrative tendencies is duty bound intellectually to accept the social consequences whatever they may be or be castigated as half-baked. The idea of a flat out anti-IDer expressing outrage at organically determined responses is plainly ridiculous and especially so when no opposition to the stimulations is offered.
It follows,quite simply, that all social problems have to be taken on the chin or swallowed whole by flat-out anti-IDers.
It's a tough problem and compounded by differences of environment,tradition,geography and economic activity.
Back to the urban/rural and the industry/agriculture. The city is by nature ego assertive and the countryside is ego transcending.
City thinking.
Sorry for rushing that.
spendius wrote:Such a response to these stimulations cannot be reduced in any other way except that of reducing the stimulations. Ruthless competiveness,political enthusiam or even fanaticism and war are the inevitable result. To suggest the voluntary renunciation of such a response is ridiculous because it goes against an organic law. It is thus necessary,assuming there's a need to reduce these responses, which not everybody would favour, is to reduce the stimulations and to energise the integrative tendencies as religious worship and ritual would do.
The source of social integration is in the self-transcending tendencies and the reduction of the ego which is the function of religion.
You seem to be saying that religion would reduce dangerous stimulation.
However, you contradicted this earlier with your description of cathedrals:
Quote: The spire of the Gothic cathedral thrusts upward in a fantastic symbol of assertion
Isn't religion just as dangerous as science in producing "aggressive stimulation"?
Yes it is wande but only in driven into a corner situations. To have the ego assertions highly stimulated amidst luxury renders the results a function of the luxury being felt insufficient. Such an insufficiency cannot be compared to the natural insufficiencies of early Gothic.
The point might be that the ego assertions of Gothic times have done the business and the time is approaching for what Spengler called "The Second Religiousness".
But that is a bit stratospheric.
In the bath I remember two remarks I had come across years ago and which stuck fast in my mind.
Andy Warhol called his shooting by Valerie Solanis "an accident". He must have meant that her genetics were particularly prone to the ego-assertive atmosphere in New York. She was a genetic accident.
One hears of people who have fits with flashing lights or difficult children being caused by additives in food.
The criminal may be someone who combines a powerful response to these stimulations with a courage to defy the law both of which he might not be able to help. This explains why modern urban people find it difficult to employ capital punishment and have improved conditions in jails.
And I remember John Lennon saying about New York- "It frightens me what I can do in this town with my money." And he was highly ego assertive with his bullshit about giving peace a chance. He must have been having doubts to say what he did.
People out in the sod-busting country don't want that goodstyle. I daresay their children still skip along to school unaccompanied whereas in the cities it is a full time job protecting them.
It is not an unimportant issue.
But I'm in a rush again.The pub shuts in an hour.
spendi,
I think you are talking about personal "demons" that do not afflict most members of society.
Maybe not wande-
But that would be caused by fear I think and result in one not being taken seriously and being in danger of being accused of only spouting in order to hear the sound of one's own voice or to see one's thoughts printed on a tellyscreen. Suggesting publicly how society ought to be organised is a very fear inducing mechanism and anybody who takes it up whimsically is a heretic of the highest order.
Some people consider it tantamount to treason but I'm easy going and like to think that it will all come out in the wash.
I read in an important book earlier tonight the phrase "as the centuries passed" and it struck me that such an idea is incomprehensible to an ego-asserter and yet evolution theory consists in it's entirety,as Mr Darwin made clear on numerous occasions, in processes of unimaginable duration which just goes to show how mixed up the evolutionists actually are. Their talk of 4.7 billion years in a framework of ego assertiveness is bullshit of the most sloppiest and dribbling a kind I am able to imagine and I have watched real bulls **** as a scientific exercise in applications of empirical evidence theory.
Spendi.I'm worried.Are you ok?You seem to have had an attack of spendispacing.Are you feeling your normal self.?
Quite normal Steve.
It is gratifying that you are concerned about me but I can assure you that nothing outside the usual has taken place for so long I can't even remember what unusual is.
The pub tonight was so usual it was comforting.
The only thing that has disturbed my equanimity recently was having a bet to nothing on Ebdon and the silly c*** f****d up like the t*** I knew him to be.
Do you do spread betting Steve?
spendius wrote:
Do you do spread betting Steve?
love it. But banned. Mrs Steve doesnt approve. Yes henpecked I know but there you have it. Still I understand the mechanics, which is more than most. Whats the spread on Rooney's foot injury? 42-46 days?
Hey what you doing up this late? Past my bedtime anyway nighty night
The hamsters are cavorting again. I tried to wish farmerman well, and only his name came out on the post...
Yes.
All the best fm.
Steve.-
If it is decided on next match played for 90 minutes I would buy at 46 days. I only bought Ebdon when I noticed Ronnie not concentrating.
On reflection I didn't take into account the purple waiscoat and the living in Dubai. But how did he miss that sodding yellow.
Chumly wrote:Answer the questions directly and to the point, think of all the electrons that could be saved from a fate worse than death.
spendius wrote:Don't be daft Chum. There's a finite number of electrons in the universe isn't there?
It's a joke about all them hardworking suffering electrons aiding and abetting innumerable pixels for the net effect of your posts on my LCD.
farmerman wrote:Remember , the public school systems in the US grew, partly as a response to Twain's "gilded age'.
I'm not familiar with this, "Twain's gilded age", as an impetus for US education. Does anyone know the history on this?
Thanks,
Well, this is all I can find on the matter so far...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilded_Age
My old Grandad told me never to trust a man with a "tash" (moustache) and Twain had a real horror.
Quote:But, jesting aside, Mr. President, woman is lovable, gracious, kind of heart, beautiful -- worthy of all respect, of all esteem, of all deference. Not any here will refuse to drink her health right cordially, for each and every one of us has personally known, and loved, and honored, the very best one of them all -- his own mother! [Applause.]
Aaaaah!
I couldn't find an apple pie reference.
FARMERMAN UPDATE
(I am quoting a post farmerman made on another thread this morning.)
Quote:Im all checked in and playing with my partners laptop. The hospital has all wifi , all over. Im gonna get some arthroscopic surgery but have a neurosurgeon in control, (too close to main nerve trunks) Maybe thisll help my lack of most feeling in my hand , maybe not, but it will keep it from getting worse and perhaps cutting my artery betwen the subclavian and axial.. (I looked it up on an anatomy site after I had my prep talk last night).
I wanted a local anesthetic but they say no. Im actually afraid of being knocked out because of the potential for clotting. Ive been off my aspirin since Sunday and Ive been giving lots of "unsolicited " advice to the anesthesiologist. (She is getting noticeably pissed at my telling her **** like shes a mechanic. Well guess what--she is. Its my car and , what the hell, Im the customer).
Im not impressed by physicians because I know most of them couldnt handle the math in pre med. Most are not gietd spatial thinkers, they are info crammers who need to read the research jouirnals to find out about science.
Well, Im keyed up and ready for action at 8;30. I have no idea how long Ill be out or how much this crap is gonna cost.
wandeljw wrote:FARMERMAN UPDATE
(I am quoting a post farmerman made on another thread this morning.)
Thanks for the update Wand.
No problem, rosborne!
(I am seriously concerned about farmerman. I hope he is able to report again after he comes out of surgery.)
