farmerman wrote:spendi, Ill wait till you accumulate some more offerings before I comment further. I must go split firewood
farmerman,
Use some of the wood to build spendi a cabin on your property. That way, he can learn good old Pennsylvania common sense.
wande-
Do you mean I'm a fool for just adjusting the thermostat when it gets cool?
spendi,
We are your friends from "the colonies". We only want to save you from the abyss of your own obscure thinking.
timber-
It must be comforting to think that this debate was in anything other than first gear with the handbrake left on.The kit you say the judge removed was all worn out anyway.Just wait until the replacements arrive.
One has some evidence right here of the intellectual capacities resulting,presumably,from the SD position which certain elements of civilised society might baulk at embracing.The evolution theory is a nice subject for debate as long as you stick to just the evolution theory as an abstract concept and don't go into what it means as I have done.It is easy to do extended metaphors concerning mechanical appliances but when you do one like Darwin did it's a different kettle of fish entirely.
Are you really saying that ID supporters,some of whom are scientists,are idiots.That is,in the Concise Oxford-a person so deficient in mind as to be permanently incapable of rational conduct.And that your President,our Prime Minister and our Queen plus,I gather,80% of American citizens,fit this asserted category of yours.And that baptisms,church weddings and funerals are a foolish charade designed to part idiots from their money and,as such,a confidence trick.
That's fair enough.I respect that point of view.Do you hold it.
farmerman wrote:set, alas I think that we shall never see a book on "The Wit of GW Bush" at least not one where he said things on purpose.
A smarmy Republican twit compared the Shrub to Churchill a few years ago. We had a
very brief thread on the topic . . .
spendius wrote:timber-
It must be comforting to think that this debate was in anything other than first gear with the handbrake left on.The kit you say the judge removed was all worn out anyway.Just wait until the replacements arrive.
One has some evidence right here of the intellectual capacities resulting,presumably,from the SD position which certain elements of civilised society might baulk at embracing.The evolution theory is a nice subject for debate as long as you stick to just the evolution theory as an abstract concept and don't go into what it means as I have done.It is easy to do extended metaphors concerning mechanical appliances but when you do one like Darwin did it's a different kettle of fish entirely.
Are you really saying that ID supporters,some of whom are scientists,are idiots.That is,in the Concise Oxford-a person so deficient in mind as to be permanently incapable of rational conduct.And that your President,our Prime Minister and our Queen plus,I gather,80% of American citizens,fit this asserted category of yours.And that baptisms,church weddings and funerals are a foolish charade designed to part idiots from their money and,as such,a confidence trick.
That's fair enough.I respect that point of view.Do you hold it.
Yeah, spendi, I pretty much do hold that position, as regards endorsement of any religionist proposition; the prime function of religion is to ensure the continuation of the concept and see to the prosperity of the priesthood. I submit as well that it has been roundly pointed out the attitudes and opinions of those without credentials in a given scientific discipline have no relevance to or pertinence in any valid critique of that scientific discipline.
wande wrote-
Quote:We are your friends from "the colonies". We only want to save you from the abyss of your own obscure thinking.
Here we go again.Another assertion.My thinking isn't in the least "obscure" to me and the "abyss" is a figment of your imagination.Do you really think that your use of such words renders them into scientific truth.That's magic wande stuff.
I asked whether you thought I displayed a lack of common sense by turning the thermostat up to get warm in preference to Pa common sense of splitting logs (your definition btw of Pa common sense).Do they make their own shoes as well?
Right timber.But a great deal flows from the position which you "pretty much" hold.
What does the "pretty much" mean then.51% fits that.
I hold it 100% myself but I have very little confidence in recommending it,and what flows from it,as the way forward for society.I know that my fellow citizens would freak out if they were forced to embrace the full implications of a truly scientific society and I'm not sure I fancy mass nervous breakdown.I would be in my element in Huxley's Brave New World.Popped up to the eyeballs and the women being passed round like er er-think of a good simile for that for me.I'm not satisfied with any I've so far come up with.Pipes of peace isn't bad.But that's a long way off I guess although there are promising signs don't you think.A 50% divorce rate is a start but it's a bit slow unless you cheat a bit.
spendius wrote:My thinking isn't in the least "obscure" to me
Spendi! You should use that as your "signature line"!
wandel, That's an excellent suggestion to spendi.
timberlandko wrote:spendi, your wait till "this argument gets into second gear" will be fruitless and disappointing. Judge Jones removed its battery, starting motor, ignition, fuel delivery system, and running gear. The ID-iots no longer have a vehicle, they have an Appalachian Lawn Ornament - all they lack now are the concrete blocks on which to mount it per the norms of display for such status symbols.
One of the most significant posts I've had the pleasure to read here...and there have been quite a few.
wande-
Did you see my admission that I am a 100% SDer.
That's why I'm not confused or obscure.I have a base line.You 51% ers or even 85%ers or even more are obscure by definition.The last wedding invitation I received I turned down,in public, on the basis that I didn't like watching tragedies and it turned into one as quick as a shake of a lamb's tail.I consider baptism cruel and inhuman,my screams drowned out the priest I'm told, and funerals a total waste of time and effort.How else could a 100%er see these things.If you're not a 100%er you're a closet IDer posing and hoping to scrape some vicarious prestige from dipping your big toe into real scientific prestige.
I think Ben Johnson should have his gold medal restored and the silly sods who took it off him should have to do time in a rehab centre and all their testing institutions shut down.The idea that a man can't take risks with his body to get fame and fortune is enough to shut down every useful human activity and it always was possibly into the pre Cambrian which is a convenient phrase for allowing somebody to think he has got that period of history firmly in his understanding and thus under his control.
A politician's strategy evolves through natural selection...
Quote:Santorum Breaks With Christian-Rights Law Center
Associated Press
Friday, December 23, 2005; Page A11
PHILADELPHIA, Dec. 22 -- Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) withdrew on Thursday his affiliation from the Christian-rights law center that defended a school district's policy requiring the teaching of "intelligent design."
Santorum, the Senate's third-ranking Republican, is facing a tough reelection challenge next year. Earlier, he praised the Dover Area School District for "attempting to teach the controversy of evolution."
But the day after a federal judge ruled that the district's policy on intelligent design is unconstitutional, Santorum told the Philadelphia Inquirer that he was troubled by testimony indicating that religion motivated some school board members to adopt the policy.
Santorum was on the advisory board of the Michigan-based Thomas More Law Center, which defended the district's policy. "I thought the Thomas More Law Center made a huge mistake in taking this case and in pushing this case to the extent they did," Santorum said. He said he will end his affiliation with the center.
The leading Democratic challenger in Santorum's 2006 reelection bid, state Treasurer Robert P. Casey Jr., accused him of backtracking. Casey spokesman Larry Smar said that Santorum's statements were "yet another example of 'Election Year Rick' changing his positions for political expediency." Casey has led Santorum in recent polls.
Have we seen the "high water" mark of little Ricky. (I friigin hope so). However you cant tell about Pa. We are capable of some very profound reasoning, but often delivered by the MArx Brothers.
blatham,
Thanks for the news item about the Pennsylvania senator. I hope politicians in Kansas take notice of both the senator and the ousted Dover school board members. The "teach the controversy" tactic being used in Kansas was also furnished by the Discovery Institute. Conservative politicians are starting to realize that promoting "anti-evolution" is worthless.
wande-
Maybe you should redefine "Conservative politician" then.Maybe "Weathervane politicians" is what you need.Or "Salary seekers".
God, I hate to say this , but I agree with spendius' terminology on this. Ricky has certainly been a type section definition of "weathervane" His core views dont change but are often "redefined conveniently"
The fact that Santorum has violated some of the income dispersion laws will be an issue in the upcoming election, and his opponent < the conservative democrat son of one of Pas more popular governors , gives him enor,mous pre-recognition and approval.
Casey is from the wing of the Democrats that wont take lightly the "titles" that the moral high-ground Conservative GOPs have found convenient to bust on the Dems. Caseys come out on the major bread and butter issues that Santorum is stuck in the same mud along with his party leader.
wandeljw wrote:Conservative politicians are starting to realize that promoting "anti-evolution" is worthless.
Perceptive . . . i doubt that it would ever be seen as a liability, but as it is not an asset, and the failure to promote this nonsense would not be a liability, either, we may be freed of this new "Scopes-ism" soon. As Churchill noted in 1940, it's not the end, and it's not even the beginning of the end--but it is the end of the beginning.
wande wrote-
Quote:We are your friends from "the colonies". We only want to save you from the abyss of your own obscure thinking.
Well-Albert Camus wrote-
"Real despair means death,the grave or the abyss.If despair prompts speech or reasoning,and above all if it results in writing,fraternity is established,natural objects are justified,love is born.A literature of despair is a contradiction in terms."
You see wande-the abyss is for those who don't write or for those who use language merely as a self-serving squeak of complacent self flattery to evade the obvious absurdity of life.
One has a necessary perception of the filth of the beast who is man without God.
