Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

Welcome to A2K Ano, where any whiff of theology will instantly be met with howls from the Committee to Save Our Kids From Religion.

Its kind of fun, jump in any time.

Nice to have the edit button isn't it? "Will be instantly be met." I also use it a lot.

I suck at first drafts. Especially after a few of them.

I too. BTW old mate, how does one created a new thread on this forum?

Been so long I'd forgotten, had to peck around to remember.

Go to top of page and click the 'able2know' logo.

Thanks mate.

as you damn well know but always conveniently forget, forces that support science had NEVER attempted to ban the teaching bio;logy relating to creationism to our kids, whereas the sanctimonious religious school leaders have instituted and are still trying to institute laws to deny the teaching of evolution which is why each Fed court district has had to try the issue based on our first amndment rights against the establishment of a state religion.
You Evangelical IDers are now in a highly vocal minority and < wherever yourmoles try to escape and deficate on sound sciencethere shall a new case be tried( until , Like Edwards v Aguillard which struck down teaching CREATIONISM as science in 1987 all over the nation,) over ID, the evil offspring of Creationism , is fully remove from the books.



Theres about 30+ states where ID is being considrered as valid scince by active Evangelical school board leasers. SO far, most states (including Texas) have use their lgislatures to stomp on these clowns but since many states have school boards as insependent entities, unless a Fed courts decision invokes a First Amendment decision , these independent school boards will try and try again to put in place tjeir silly religious worldview. (Its sorta like Mississippi when it tried to legislate pi to be expressed as 3.10)

ultimately you guys will lose completely, you can only come up with a few title changes and feigned "research" in order to convince us of your validity s actual science disciplines. Your side doesnt ven DO any cience, you just spend time arguing valid science with Biblical quotations like this guy.
Ya wonder why folks dont even trust you to tell the time??.

Do you believe the bible which states that the planets of our solar system were created before our sun, and that Life had begun to evolve of earth before the contracting Solar sphere burst into life and light?

Um, what?

What is your problem? Is it that you can't read, or that you are incapable of comprehending the question?

maybe his point is that the bible in this case is pure fairytale.

No mate, the point is that cannot accept the truth as revealed in scripture, and that is the fact that the planets in our solar system were created before the sun, and that Life evolved on earth before the sun burst into life and light.

the fact is that the bible was written by people who knew nothing about the solar system or how stars and planets actually form or evolve, so they simply made it all up. they didn't even know there was a solar system, or what stars or planets are., so they guessed. wrongly. we know more, and you're trying to retrofit that knowledge into a four thousand year old narrative where it won't fit.

Why not discuss the evidence that supports these assertions. OK?

As MJ said, you seem to be trying to "back fit" things that are unfriendly in concept.

Note the use of language, the misappropriation of the word truth, the refusal to compromise on anything and the insults.

These are all cheap rhetorical devices of the huckster.

Detecting mis-information and dis-informtion is easy in this subject. "Anointed" is as purposely ambiguous as these guys can get. He just fails to add anything of a relevant nature.
He argues cosmology when he doesnt have a ckue about biology and earths history.
SO, making up some Biblical sounding crap is what many of these guys are adept . Much of what they write is self cancelling by their next missive.

I really can’t see the point in any of it. Life on Earth did not occur the way events are laid out in the Bible. Most intelligent Christians accept that, they still believe, they just don’t take things quite so literally.

The Christians who are most convincing are those who try to lead by example, act as Christ would have them act, focus on how to treat one another. There are some really inspirational people out there.

The likes of anointed don’t do that, they insist that demonstrably wrong dogma is correct and spend all their time arguing black is white.

As such they are doing a grave disservice to Christianity, showing them as rude, aggressive and only interested in total nonsense. Everything they say can be dismissed as nonsense.

and in science. They just dont get it. "leading by example" is not what we seem to be getting as their message.

This is one scientific theory as to the creation of our solar system some 9 billion years after the creation of those first massive stars that lit up the darkness of the expanding space.

Whether or not a better theory than that which we have today will develop, time will tell.

This theory would appear to support the biblical statement, that the process of the division of the waters above from the waters below, [See Genesis 1: 6; KJV] or the division of the solar nebula cloud from the greater Galactic nebula cloud, began some five billion years ago, and that the whole process began with the division of the waters (cloud) above, from the waters (Cloud) below from which the entire Solar system was created. This took just a few hundred million years, about 400 million years in fact, and the creation of our entire solar system was completed by about 4.6 billion years ago.

It was from the galactic nebular cloud, which was the residue of the heavier elements that were exploded off with the great super nova, which was the death of one of those gigantic earlier generation Stars that our Milky-Way galaxy would be formed in the second creative period=day, as the active universal forces brought about a division of the Solar nebular cloud [The Waters Below] from the Galactic nebular cloud [The Waters Above].

The accretion of the galactic nebula disk, which was being attracted to the central Black Hole around which it had begun to orbit, transferred angular momentum outward as it transferred mass inward, it was this that caused our solar nebula to begin to rotate and condense inward, bringing a division of the solar cloud, from the galactic cloud, or the waters above from the waters below.

Within the greater galactic nebular cloud, which was slowly beginning to revolve around the Black Hole that anchored it in space, a piece of the larger cloud complex started to collapse about five billion years ago. The cloud complex had already been "polluted" with dust grains from previous generations of stars, so it was possible to form the rocky terrestrial planets as gravity pulled the gas and dust together, forming a solar nebula. As the cloud=waters of the solar nebula collapsed, its slight rotation increased. This is because of the conservation of angular momentum.

Just like a dancer who spins faster as she pulls in her arms, the cloud began to spin as it collapsed. Eventually, the cloud grew hotter and denser in the centre, with a disk of gas and dust surrounding it that was hot in the centre but cool at the edges. As the disk got thinner and thinner, particles began to stick together and form clumps. Some clumps got bigger, as particles and small clumps stuck to them, eventually forming planets or moons. Genesis 1: 6—9. As the heavenly cloud was gathered together in one place, dry land, or rather planets began to form.

Near the centre of the condensing cloud, where planets like earth formed, only rocky material could stand the great heat. Icy matter settled in the outer regions of the disk along with rocky material, where the giant planets like Jupiter formed.

As the cloud continued to fall in, the centre would get so hot that it would eventually become a star and with a strong stellar wind, would blow away most of the gas and dust from which the planets of the solar system had been formed.

By studying meteorites, which are thought to be left over from this early phase of the solar system, scientists have found that the solar system is about 4.6 billion years old! As the solar nebula collapsed, the gas and dust heated up through collisions among the particles. The solar nebula heated up to around 3000 K so everything was in a gaseous form. The solar nebula's composition was similar to the present-day Sun's composition: about 93% hydrogen, 6% helium, and about 1% silicates and iron, and the density of the gas and dust increased toward the core where the proto-sun was: [PROTO SUN.]. The inner, denser regions collapsed more quickly than the outer regions.

PROTO-HUMANS WERE NOT HUMANS AND THE PROTO-SUN, WAS NOT YET OUR SUN.

Around Jupiter's distance from the proto-Sun the temperature was cool enough to freeze water (the so-called "snow line" or "frost line"). Further out from the proto-Sun, ammonia and methane were able to condense. There was a significant amount of water closer to the Proto-sun, but could not condense. When the solar nebula stopped collapsing it began cooling, though the core that would later form the Sun remained hot.

This meant that the outer parts of the solar nebula cooled off more than the inner parts closer to the hot proto-Sun. Only metal and rock materials could condense (solidify) at the high temperatures close to the proto-Sun.
Therefore, the metal and rock materials could condense in all the places where the planets were forming. Volatile materials (like water, methane and ammonia) could only condense in the outer parts of the solar nebula.

Because the density of the solar nebula material increased inward, there was more water at Jupiter's distance than at the distances of Saturn, Uranus, or Neptune. The greater amount of water ice at Jupiter's distance from the proto-Sun helped it grow larger than the other planets. Although, there was more water closer to the proto-Sun than Jupiter, that water was too warm to condense. Material with the highest freezing temperatures condensed to form the chondrules that were then incorporated in lower freezing temperature material. Chondrules (from Ancient Greek chondros, meaning grain) are round grains found in chondrites. Chondrules form as molten or partially molten droplets in space before being accreted to their parent asteroids.

Any material that later became part of a planet underwent further heating and processing when the planet differentiated so the heavy metals sunk to the planet's core and lighter metals floated up to nearer the surface.

Because of its great compression, the core of the proto-Sun finally reached about 10 million Kelvin and after the planets of the solar system had been created, the hydrogen nuclei started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy. It was then that the proto-Sun "TURNED ON" and became our Sun, which produced the strong winds called T-Tauri winds named after the prototype star in the constellation Taurus.

These winds swept out the rest of the nebula that was not already incorporated into the planets. With most of the cocoon gas blown away, the new star itself becomes visible to the outside for the first time. This whole process took just a few hundred million years and was finished by about 4.6 billion years ago. At the distance of about one light year from the earth, is the great icy Dome, that is the boundary of the firmament of our heavens, in which the sun, moon, and planets of our solar system were created.

The Planets were created before our sun, as recorded in scripture.

The howling has already increased i see.

And as expected, any facts or analysis you may offer is written off as delusional religious dogma. I would not expect much real engagement on any scientific argument you offer.

Interesting note: You can always tell how flustered/outraged farmer is by the percentage of typos.