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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
timur
 
  4  
Sat 26 Dec, 2015 12:05 pm
http://yoism.reality-movement.org/images/PeriodicTableIsJustATheory.JPG
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 26 Dec, 2015 12:27 pm
@timur,
I suspect it's going to keep changing.
farmerman
 
  2  
Sat 26 Dec, 2015 01:51 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Quote:
its called progressive learning...prolly something that at your age is hard to do, I got that to (sic).


OOOOH an attempt at insult.

BTW, progressive discovery IS the basis of science. Learning is merely a way the non-participants can "catch up".

We never get caught up, as new discoveries change yesterdays truths, but not to an extent that a new vocabulary automatically MUST be ordained by raiding already useful and precise meanings. It spreads confusion about mostly by people who are standing by the sidelines.
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Leadfoot
 
  1  
Sat 26 Dec, 2015 02:40 pm
This excerpt from an article in Atlantic gives a clue about what is wrong with the view of 'science purests' when it comes to understanding higher levels of abstraction in reality. If you wish to just follow the path of others then conventional 'science' is fine. But if you hope to break new ground, you may have to let go of your prejudice.

I'm not too sure how applicable it is to the affirmative action case the article is targeting, but the underlying principle is right on.

Quote:
What Chief Justice Roberts Misunderstands About Physics

Late in his life, Albert Einstein published the nearest he ever came to an autobiography. It’s scant on actual details of his life, on his triumphs and fiascos, loves and losses. Instead, Einstein wrote an account of what a life in science offers those who commit to it.

Like any good quest story, Einstein’s begins with sense of something missing. “Even when I was a fairly precocious young man,” he wrote, “the nothingness of the hopes and strivings which chase most men restlessly through life came to my consciousness with considerable vitality.” Against that void Einstein discovered that “out yonder there was this huge world, which exists independently of us human beings and which stands before us like a great, eternal riddle, at least partially accessible to our inspection and thinking.” From the time he was 12, he wrote, “The contemplation of this world beckoned like a liberation.”

I thought of that credo when I read about a pending Supreme Court case called Fisher v. University of Texas, where the court is set to decide whether the university’s affirmative-action policy unfairly promotes less-qualified minority students over white ones. During oral argument, Justice Scalia’s suggestion that a softer, kinder separate-but-equal system might be sufficient for African Americans drew most of the immediate backlash—as it should have. But it was Chief Justice Roberts who made the more subtle attack on the concept of diversity, when he asked “what unique perspective does a minority student bring to a physics class?” before musing, “I’m just wondering what the benefits of diversity are in that situation.”

Roberts seems to be suggesting that physics is a realm apart from say, the humanities, where unique cultural perspectives would be more obviously valuable—and in doing so, he gives voice to a widely held misconception about science. Roberts’s error is to treat physics as a discipline that sits outside its own history and the larger culture, when of course it does no such thing.

This was not the view of physics that 70-year-old Albert Einstein described as he looked back across his own life experience. Most of his not-really-an-autobiography limns the evolution of his thinking about his two theories of relativity. In describing the paradox that led him to his early breakthrough, the Special Theory of Relativity, Einstein noted that it took him a decade to get from his first thoughts to the final theory. (He started at 16, so he has some excuse.) The breakthrough turned on his realization that measurements of time and space aren’t absolute. Rather, they shift for different observers depending on how they’re moving relative to each other.

As he struggled to finish the theory, Einstein found that “even scholars of audacious spirit and fine instinct can be obstructed in the interpretation of facts by philosophical prejudices.” Einstein himself had to reach out of physics to develop the habits of mind that allowed him to see past the prejudices that obscured the relativistic universe he ultimately discovered. “The type of critical reasoning which was required for the discovery of this central point” he wrote, “was decisively furthered, in my case especially, by the reading of David Hume’s and Ernst Mach’s philosophical writings.”
Tuna
 
  1  
Sat 26 Dec, 2015 08:39 pm
@Leadfoot,
Abstraction is a philosophical topic. It's not so much a scientific area. Right?
Leadfoot
 
  1  
Sat 26 Dec, 2015 09:23 pm
@Tuna,
Most often, yes, but as shown by Einstein's quotes in the Atlantic article excerpts I posted, the philosophical use of abstraction has value to scientists wanting to see past existing paradigms.

But I was also thinking of it's use in computer programming where using higher level languages are refered to as higher levels of abstraction from the machine language of the target hardware. For example, Epigenetics looks analogous to that use of the term.
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timur
 
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Mon 4 Jan, 2016 07:18 am
@cicerone imposter,
Actually, four more elements were added to the table lately.

One of them is Ununtrium..
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FBM
 
  1  
Tue 5 Jan, 2016 08:31 am
This seems like a good place to drop this:

farmerman
 
  1  
Tue 5 Jan, 2016 10:23 am
@FBM,
We need a new chopper and a driver, maybe Ill have to rethink my business plans
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farmerman
 
  1  
Tue 5 Jan, 2016 10:25 am
@FBM,
who is the guy wearing the maroon shirt. He looks like a thug.

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blatham
 
  1  
Tue 5 Jan, 2016 02:27 pm
@FBM,
If you haven't read historian Rick Perlstein's "The Long Con", this would seem the perfect context.
http://thebaffler.com/salvos/the-long-con
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hingehead
 
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Fri 15 Jan, 2016 05:48 pm
Just came across this....

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/18/91/59/1891594b4902835858c8cd640bd430c8.jpg
One Eyed Mind
 
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Fri 15 Jan, 2016 05:58 pm
@timur,
You are an idiot.

There will forever be 118 Elements, as it corresponds with 360° + 18°.

1 = ONE CIRCLE
18 = 18° OF A CIRCLE

360 + 18 = 378

Speed Of Light: 299 792 458 M / S

378 x 2 x 9 x 9 x 7 x 9 x 2 x 4 x 5 x 8 = 1234517760 (May 1st 1776)

The very mathematical formula that holds our physical world together is: "582 x 273 x 666 x 384 = 40634141184".

40634141184
Singularity
40634141184
88 Constellations
40634141184
360° Circle leaving the singularity.
40634141184
118 Elements leaving the singularity.


1 + 88 + 360 + 118 = 567.

567 + 567 = 1134.

Now, I communicate with the Mother of all aliens, so I have two ways to demonstrate what "1134" is and why the fate of our lives depend on it.

A.

T + I + A + M + A + T = 64 (8 x 8)

Tiamat, The Mother Of All Creation, made us in Her Image, which is why we have 46 Chromosomes.

46 x 64 = 2944
9 x 244 = 2196
9 x 216 = 1944
9 x 144 = 1296
9 x 126 = 1134

B.

Tiamat is The Mother
Apsu is The Husband
Marduk is The Son

T x 6 + I x 6 + A x 6 + M x 6 + A x 6 + T x 6 +
A x 6 + P x 7 + S x 6 + U x 7 +
M x 6 + A x 6 + R x 6 + D x 7 + U x 6 + K x 6 = 1134
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Leadfoot
 
  1  
Sun 17 Jan, 2016 09:28 am
@hingehead,
If bio-life is by design then it follows that bio-death is too.
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Sun 17 Jan, 2016 11:41 am
@Leadfoot,
or maybe the alleged designer was just incredibly thumb-fingered.
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edgarblythe
 
  1  
Sun 17 Jan, 2016 11:52 am
https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12400944_822122867934582_4390855909158601108_n.jpg?oh=5426d99d76685626e63151887c853633&oe=56FF4D8D
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Sun 17 Jan, 2016 12:13 pm
@edgarblythe,
Michele Bachmann is living proof there could not have been an intelligent designer.
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Sun 17 Jan, 2016 01:01 pm
@MontereyJack,
Turns out she has said lots of stupid stuff but according to a friend this one is fake.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 17 Jan, 2016 03:35 pm
@edgarblythe,
Snopes says that's false. http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/dinobones.asp
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hingehead
 
  1  
Sun 17 Jan, 2016 04:30 pm
@Leadfoot,
Weren't you saying that some evolutionary process was 'waaaaay' too complicated pages back? And now an intelligent designer who wanted bio-death invents how many thousands of ways to cause it?
 

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