97
   

Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
reasoning logic
 
  1  
Sun 25 Nov, 2012 01:58 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
You can be very sure that if you see a sentence like that in one of my posts that I am taking the piss.


Well we all know how much you like taking a piss you manly man, "you alpha male.

I see there is a new product line for you manly men and I thought that you might be interested in doing some advertizement to help promote this manly cause. Wink

What color do you think would look best on you?


spendius
 
  2  
Sun 25 Nov, 2012 02:23 pm
@reasoning logic,
Anything that doesn't show stains.
reasoning logic
 
  1  
Sun 25 Nov, 2012 02:26 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
Anything that doesn't show stains.


Are you trying to hide those resin stains from marijuana or nicotine?
spendius
 
  1  
Sun 25 Nov, 2012 06:24 pm
@reasoning logic,
You are asking a lot of personal questions rl. Are you okay with me asking you a few or do you think you have special privileges caused by my sensitivity to the feelings of others?
reasoning logic
 
  1  
Sun 25 Nov, 2012 06:31 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
You are asking a lot of personal questions rl. Are you okay with me asking you a few or do you think you have special privileges caused by my sensitivity to the feelings of others?


Go for it spendius ask away. Laughing
spendius
 
  1  
Mon 26 Nov, 2012 04:54 am
@reasoning logic,
Do you prefer the missionary position to the doggie?
0 Replies
 
farmerman
 
  1  
Tue 27 Nov, 2012 12:35 pm
Quote:



Between Rock of Ages and a Hard Place

By NICHOLAS WADE

Published: November 26, 2012

It was the standard political interview, about ambition and the right size for government. Then came the curveball question to Senator Marco Rubio of Florida from Michael Hainey of GQ magazine: “How old do you think the earth is?”
J. Scott Applewhite/Associated Press,Senator Marco Rubio, asked the age of Earth, said, “I’m not a scientist.”


Senator Rubio, a possible contender in the 2016 Republican presidential race, gave the following answer: “I’m not a scientist, man. I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that’s a dispute amongst theologians.”

He went on: “At the end of the day, I think there are multiple theories out there on how the universe was created, and I think this is a country where people should have the opportunity to teach them all. I think parents should be able to teach their kids what their faith says, what science says.

“Whether the earth was created in seven days, or seven actual eras, I’m not sure we’ll ever be able to answer that. It’s one of the great mysteries.”

It may have been a mystery back in the 17th century, when Archbishop James Ussher calculated from the age of the patriarchs and other sources that Earth was created on Oct. 22, 4004 B.C. Today’s best estimate for the age of Earth, based on the radiometric dating of meteorites, is 4.54 billion years. The real mystery is how a highly intelligent politician got himself into the position of suggesting that the two estimates are of equal value, or that theologians are still the best interpreters of the physical world.

Catholics and Jews have always emphasized their priests’ interpretations of the Bible, not the text itself; Protestants, starting with Martin Luther, insisted the Bible was the literal truth and the sole dependable source of divine knowledge, a belief the Puritans implanted firmly in American soil. Then, in the 19th century, German textual critics like Julius Wellhausen showed that the Bible was not the inerrant product of divine inspiration but had been cobbled together by many hands whose editing was all too evident.

At that point most Protestants decided to join Catholics in interpreting the Bible metaphorically and avoiding embarrassing public spats with science. But after discussions in the early 20th century, the conservative wing of the Protestant movement elected to double down their bet and insist that every word in the Bible was true.

The inevitable clash with science, particularly in the teaching of evolution, has continued to this day. Militant atheists like the evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins beat the believers about the head, accomplishing nothing; fundamentalist Christians naturally defend their religion and values to the hilt, whatever science may say.

A scientific statesman, if there were such a person, would try to defuse the situation by professing respect for all religions and making a grand yet also trivial concession about the status of evolution.

Like those electrons that can be waves or particles, evolution is both a theory and a fact. In historical terms, evolution has certainly occurred and no fact is better attested. But in terms of the intellectual structure of science, evolution is a theory; no one talks about Darwin’s “fact of evolution.”

Unlike a fact, a theory cannot be absolutely true. All scientific theories are subject to change and replacement, just as Newton’s theory of gravitation was replaced by Einstein’s. The theory of evolution, though it has no present rivals, is still under substantial construction.

Evolutionary biologists are furiously debating whether or not natural selection can operate on groups of individuals, as Darwin thought was likely but most modern evolutionists doubt. So which version of evolution is the true one?

By allowing that evolution is a theory, scientists would hand fundamentalists the fig leaf they need to insist, at least among themselves, that the majestic words of the first chapter of Genesis are literal, not metaphorical, truths. They in return should make no objection to the teaching of evolution in science classes as a theory, which indeed it is.

And rudderless politicians like Senator Rubio wouldn’t have to throw 15 back flips and a hissy fit when asked a simple question like how old is the earth.


Nicholas Wade, a longtime science writer for The New York Times, is the author of “The Faith Instinct,” about the evolutionary basis of religion.









.











NICK WADES style is often just "Pop" science but here he joins the above economics op ed column
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 27 Nov, 2012 12:45 pm
@farmerman,
A politician speaketh bull shite!
farmerman
 
  1  
Tue 27 Nov, 2012 01:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Im looking for a GOP presidential possible who isnt a complete joke like Rubio and Jindhal, Ryan kind of dissolved in place and IMHO all weve got left is Chris Christie (of the top 5) who would make a ral cndidate. However the GOP is out for his blood for sidling up to Obama while trying to cadge some storm aid from the pres.

Im fraid that another Bush lies in the Bushes
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 27 Nov, 2012 01:16 pm
@farmerman,
I don't believe in "the GOP out for anyone's blood." Look what happened with Romney; he was the most hated candidate, but won their support after the primaries.

If they put Chris Christie on the ballot, he would be a top contender in my book. He won't stand for any more of the conservative bull shite, and walk the talk.



Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Tue 27 Nov, 2012 02:24 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
IMHO all weve got left is Chris Christie (of the top 5) who would make a ral cndidate.


If it would help get him the hell out of New Jersey, I might vote for him myself!
farmerman
 
  1  
Tue 27 Nov, 2012 03:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
"the GOP out for anyone's blood."
Thats not wahts been in the news. Christie has met with several of the big GOP donors and hes been handed holy hell as a "turncoat"
0 Replies
 
farmerman
 
  1  
Tue 27 Nov, 2012 03:30 pm
@Frank Apisa,
why dont you like him. Hes almost a Democrat
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Tue 27 Nov, 2012 03:51 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
why dont you like him (Christie).



FM...he is a bully of the first order. He is popular...and he did the right thing during the recent storm that kicked our asses here in New Jersey.

But with Christie, it is ALWAYS "my way" or the "highway." There is absolutely no compromise in him whatever. He has savaged the teachers, the unions, the judiciary, and anyone who crosses him in any way.

He is a ruthless bully who, in my opinion, would make one of the worst presidents ever. Despite what I said earlier about how much I want to be rid of him here in our state, I hope the rest of the country never has to deal with his bile and venom.



Quote:
Hes almost a Democrat


I am not a Democrat...so that would not influence me. I am a progressive. He is not...no matter what you may have read.
spendius
 
  1  
Tue 27 Nov, 2012 04:19 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Sounds to me like a man whose time might be coming.

I'm up for savaging teachers, the unions, the judiciary and anybody else who gets in the way of a democratically elected leader.

What do we elect leaders for if it is not to lead?

He has guts too. He put the interests of disaster relief above his political career.

What does progressive mean Frank. Where to?

0 Replies
 
farmerman
 
  1  
Tue 27 Nov, 2012 04:57 pm
@Frank Apisa,
so youd rather have the past innefectual or criminal governors??
farmerman
 
  1  
Tue 27 Nov, 2012 04:59 pm
@farmerman,
egad, Ill let spendi argue with you Frank, for one time I agree with the Englishman.

Unions must serve a purpose to the industry AND themselves

Teachers for the most part merely progenate their own kind wherein knwing how to teach is more important than what they teach an how well.

Its one area of "The pure spirit " conservatism I agree with, there must be benefits to the population at large. True progressives are shills for their special interests as well as social conervatives are shills for theirs
0 Replies
 
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 27 Nov, 2012 05:08 pm
@Frank Apisa,
"My way or the highway" as it pertains to the GOP is going to be very refreshing!

We need somebody like Christy to put them where they belong; the GOP is not interested in doing good for this country - and Christy is.

With Christy at the helm, Norquest will be a has been.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Wed 28 Nov, 2012 08:05 am
@cicerone imposter,
Okay ci, FM, and Spendius.

Go with what you think is the case.

If Christie ever gets elected president of the United States...I suspect you will deeply regret how you feel at this moment.

The thought that comes to my mind is:

The Trojan Horse was very large and seemed interesting...but contained an extremely unpleasant surprise for the people who thought it to be a wonderful thing.
spendius
 
  1  
Wed 28 Nov, 2012 08:23 am
@Frank Apisa,
What sort of things do you envisage Mr Christie doing as President which are out of the normal run of things for the position apart from maybe biting the carpet in frustration at finding he is constrained by forces which are much stronger than those he had experienced as a governor?
 

Related Topics

 
Copyright © 2025 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.11 seconds on 01/14/2025 at 04:39:45