Police Handcuffed 5yrold Girl

I learned all this like... Hmmm. 24 years ago! But, I had the best teachers in the world at the time as far as applying it to education goes.

I agree, chia, that it may just be a poor mix of personalities. Perhaps moving her to another Kindergarten class would have been an option to consider.

And, by that I mean like last September.

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that was one bad a** little girl
The administrators should be commended for not allowing the situation to escalate. That little girl got what she deserved. Oh, and why wasn't she crying before the police came? Then she gonna start to cry; give me a break. She needed a reality check. I know all about working mothers, and how hard it is to leave your job. That mother needed to leave work IMMEDIATELY. This was an emergency; or at least had someone else on the list to come and pick her daughter up. That little girl is going to have problems wherever she goes, unless her mother stops making excuses for her and gives her behind some discipline. And please people, don't make this a racist thing, like I've seen on other boards. That child's behavior was BAD, black, white, or whatever.

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Why didn't the teacher (or other staff) just put her in an empty room to calm down for a while?

And why don't the cops call in a doctor or someone specialised in kids when they're called in to intervene in a situation involving five-year-olds?

I agree with what other posters have said: for this girl to behave like that, serious stuff must be up. And the way this crisis was solved probably fu*ked her mind up even more.

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littlek wrote:

C But, I think this video was taken after she'd already spent a lot of her energy

<snip>

I think the video showed the teacher behaving fairly well (not perfect), given the situation, but she knew there was a tape rolling. She was on her best behavior.

l'k, the taping had been going on for some time, according to the reports, as the teacher was taping her own work for training purposes - I suspect if there'd been anything really 'exciting' in the earlier segment, we'd already have seen it.

Chai Tea, thanks for your good and interesting comments. I've just been reading you on another thread as well. Welcome to A2K.

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It is certainly nice to know that a five-year-old girl throwing a fit was the most dangerous hazard for the Saint Petersburg police to get a grip on at the time that happened. Happy St. Petersburg!

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I agree with Chai Tea, Squinny. The child's behavior was not excessive, and she showed restraint. I admire the child, the adults were deplorable. The teacher appeared as though she was fighting back with this child.

As the handcuffs were put on this little girl, her sobs were heartbreaking. How very sad.

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Well I'm pretty speechless - the kid in the video might as well of been me back in the 60's. Some of you might remember me telling about that many moons ago.

I honestly do not think the general population of teachers are trained to handle this type of behavior and aggression and for sure law enforcement was only doing what they have been trained to do. The tragedy occurred before this this event took place sad as it is.

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Chai Tea
You seemed to be ready to excuse the behavior. i.e. She is not out of control, it was only a piece of paper and etc. That kind of thinking and the psychological baloney that we are being fed on how to bring up or coddle children is why we have the problems in our schools and why Johnny can't read.
In my opinion the child's behavior was inexcusable and should never be tolerated.
Too many children have no respect because they are not taught to respect.
I can tell you if I brought a note home requesting my mother to come to school. I got hit before she went, since I must have done something wrong, and punishment was meted out afterward based on the extent of the infraction.
Today the parent immediately defends her, butter wouldn't melt in his mouth child, and the teacher could be the one getting hit.

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Chai Tea

I would also add that when I went to school it was the parent who was responsible for the child's behavior not the teachers or the schools.

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dlowan wrote:

Wasn't talking about the teacher - I was talking about Material Girl's demand for a spanking.

Material Girl? Yup, you certainly figured me out. I'm sitting in my stadium room, in my Mansion, Iming nude PIC's and dirty talk to Prince William, and Brad Pitt, on my 80 inch XP, while drinking champaign.

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Oops - sorry - Constitutional Girl's demand for a spanking.

Comment stands.

Violoence is neither a reasonable, nor, as it happens, effective way, to help kids learn to control themselves.

It is well researched to lead to the opposite result.

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ehBeth wrote:

Giving the girl back the jelly beans might have defused the situation.

The school, parents, whoever else is involved, could have met later to discuss what is going on - determine if the school was the appropriate setting for the child. Perhaps the mother needs parenting training - perhaps they both need some sort of therapy - perhaps the teachers need better training - definitely the police need better training.

(and anyone who thinks I'd now consider an A2K get-together in Florida is inhaling)

No, but I assume Duke of Lancaster, and Goodfeilder would want to.

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boomerang wrote:

Thank you Reyn. I look forward to reading your post.

Amazing, isn't it, that mental health issues are so often dealt with on a police level? All too often something really bad has to happen before a child, or anyone else for that matter, is able to get help.

I don't know if that is the case in this situation.

I do know that despite my health insurance I am unable to get Mo the counseling he needs. Apparently, kids don't have mental health issues.

<sigh>

I also find it amazing that the mother's employer wouldn't let her leave before her shift was over at 3:00. As an employer I've dealt with the family crisises of my staff from time to time -- if you value your staff you have to value the things they value -- even when it screws up your own day.

I wonder who she works for.

Maybe she works for Walmarts.

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Hey everybody, gotta leave the forum for a few minutes.....
I have to "help" my son bang is head against the wall (not enough to hurt him though - I have extensive medical training in closed head injuries, so I know just how hard the brain can slam against the inside of the cranium before damage occurs - hey, all that shaking when he was a baby didn't do him any harm, and it sure shut him up - funny how he likes to bang his head so much), before I then beat the crap out of him because he brought a note home from school. Twisted Evil

AU1929 - are you for real? Or are you just the Howard Stern of A2K?
I haven't been around long enough to know.

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Chai Tea wrote:

Hey everybody, gotta leave the forum for a few minutes.....
I have to "help" my son bang is head against the wall (not enough to hurt him though - I have extensive medical training in closed head injuries, so I know just how hard the brain can slam against the inside of the cranium before damage occurs - hey, all that shaking when he was a baby didn't do him any harm, and it sure shut him up - funny how he likes to bang his head so much), before I then beat the crap out of him because he brought a note home from school.

AU1929 - are you for real? Or are you just the Howard Stern of A2K?
I haven't been around long enough to know.

And you believe that's worse than being shot or being put in a cage? A little spanking is nothing compared to these tortures.

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yeah really, I just hate sardonical comments like that, doesn't everyone? Why just last week I was talking with Dlowan about how much I hate people when they are being sardonic. It's pretty obvious to me that Chai Tea is only attempting to teach the son survival techniques in a conservative environment (a training program for a new america)

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The answer to these problems is so obvious and I feel its implementation is just around the corner.

First all American citizens get compulsory DNA testing. Those that pass that screening are given a psychological battery of tests when they reach breeding age to make sure they are physically and mentally up to the government and religious imposed standards for parenting.

If they don't pass they are sterilized.

Easy-Peasy. God Bless Amereica.

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Well...I guess it is possible to see that video and say that the kid was not out of control.

I'd never be able to do it...because to me, she looked very much out of control.

And when the cops came into this damned-if-you- do/damned-if-you-don't situation, I guess it is possible to view what they did as inappropriate.

I'd never be able to do that either, because to me, one of the reasonable option was handcuffing her...and it was as good as any of the others I've seen offered here or been able to conceive of on my own.

MY GUESS: At some point this kid is going to grow up to be as poorly disciplined an adult as she is a kid and will impact extremely negatively on society. I also guess that she will bear children who will run that same cycle.

And for those of you who might want to play some kind of race card into what I've said...I've been of this same mind since I first heard of this case...and was, for no apparent reason, of the mind that the kid was white. At least, the thought that the kid was black never entered my mind during my considerations.

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Chai and Squinney - I think you guys are right on the money. I'm wondering why at the end of April, there is no behavior plan in place for this little girl, given that it has apparently been a problem all year.

As a teacher who has worked with special needs children for twenty years, I noticed right away that this little girl's verbal development seemed to be very delayed, maybe because she has a receptive language or cognitive or developmental delay. Maybe part of the problem is that she doesn't understand (during the lesson) what the hell she's supposed to be doing, so she just does her own thing, and is viewed as being "disobedient". Then maybe it escalates, because the teacher gets sick and tired of this kid "never listening". Of course, we can't know for sure, but I've seen it so many times, I'd be willing to bet my bottom dollar. Fortunately, it usually doesn't snowball into a fiasco like this. Chai, I also think you're right about the personality issue. I don't know about her relationship with her teacher, but you could tell noone taking the video or in the video cared very much for her. They were talking about her as if she wasn't there. Almost egging her on so they could catch her on camera and say "See, we told you she was bad". And as for "out of control", I've seen much worse, and have never had to, or known of any of my colleagues having to call in the police. That's just ridiculous.

What the cops did was intimidation, pure and simple, and absolutely unwarranted. The mom probably "should" be doing a lot of things. But we can't control what the mom is or does, we (in a school) have to take care of our own behavior, and we accept responsibility for whoever walks in the door. Bottom line. Yes, our job would be much easier if all the kids had perfect parents, but sadly (for them, most of all) they don't. Also cognitive delays and learning disabilities can be inherited. This mom might be struggling in her own life.... who are we to judge?

I heard she's at another school. Thank god, now maybe she'll get the help she needs in a classroom that is structured and taught by a person who likes to teach children such as this little girl. (We do exist Smile

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Very nice post, aidan, and sure glad you DO exist.

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