Death Penalty Opponents, This Is Who You Champion

joefromchicago wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:
As far as the "implications" that liberals want the US to fail in Iraq, I was simply referring to that other thread where joefromchicago asked: "So, can an American want the United States to lose the war in Iraq and still be patriotic? Yes. And I am one of those Americans."

I resent being called a "liberal."

I'm a radical.

Joe,
Assuming this actually is your position,that you want the US to lose in Iraq,how many American troops do you want to see killed in the process?
If you really do want us to lose,then you must be willing to see us take massive casualties,because thats how you lose a war.

So,give us a number.

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mysteryman wrote:

joefromchicago wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
As far as the "implications" that liberals want the US to fail in Iraq, I was simply referring to that other thread where joefromchicago asked: "So, can an American want the United States to lose the war in Iraq and still be patriotic? Yes. And I am one of those Americans."

I resent being called a "liberal."

I'm a radical.

Joe,
Assuming this actually is your position,that you want the US to lose in Iraq,how many American troops do you want to see killed in the process?
If you really do want us to lose,then you must be willing to see us take massive casualties,because thats how you lose a war.

So,give us a number.

Read it all for yourself here: http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1090712#1090712

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DrewDad wrote:

Read it all for yourself here: http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1090712#1090712

>Can an American want the United States to lose the war in Iraq and still be patriotic...

That one's real simple, Joe. The answer is no.

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The answer is yes. Gunga doesn't understand what Patriotism means.

Cycloptichorn

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mysteryman and gungasnake: My position is fully laid out in the thread to which DrewDad provided a link. I would be more than happy to continue discussing this topic with you in that thread; in a thread ostensibly devoted to capital punishment, however, such a discussion would be off-topic.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

The answer is yes. Gunga doesn't understand what Patriotism means.

Cycloptichorn

I know what it DOESN'T mean. It (patriotism) doesn't mean that when a clown like Saddam Hussein runs schools for terrorism with mockup airliners, pays suicide murderers' families for perpetrating mayhem around the middle east, and then sends lunatics over here to blown down the two trade towers and lower Manhatten and then poisons the US senate office building with anthrax, that the "patriot" over here sits around rooting for Hussein and praying for as many of our soldiers to get killed as possible because John the Gigolo Kerry and John the Shyster Edwards can't beat George W. Bush even in an election heavily weighted in their favor by a biased press and by the machinations of George Soros.

That's not being a patriot; that's being a sad clown.

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gungasnake wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
The answer is yes. Gunga doesn't understand what Patriotism means.

Cycloptichorn

I know what it DOESN'T mean. It (patriotism) doesn't mean that when a clown like Saddam Hussein runs schools for terrorism with mockup airliners, pays suicide murderers' families for perpetrating mayhem around the middle east, and then sends lunatics over here to blown down the two trade towers and lower Manhatten and then poisons the US senate office building with anthrax, that the "patriot" over here sits around rooting for Hussein and praying for as many of our soldiers to get killed as possible because John the Gigolo Kerry and John the Shyster Edwards can't beat George W. Bush even in an election heavily weighted in their favor by a biased press and by the machinations of George Soros.

That's not being a patriot; that's being a sad clown.

Did Saddam do all that? I'll be watching for the extradition and trial. Heck he might even get the death penalty.

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Quote:

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17970

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Blatham got it square on the nose with that last one. The death penalty is not only not fair, it is unnecessary.

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edgarblythe wrote:

Blatham got it square on the nose with that last one. The death penalty is not only not fair, it is unnecessary.

Your right,the death penalty isnt fair.
Its not fair to the honest,law-abiding citizen that a condemned prisoner is allowed to stay alive for 20 years after they get sentenced.
It isnt fair that the honest citizen has to pay to feed,clothe,house,and provide medical care to condemned prisoners.

It isnt fair that condemned prisoners get to live longer then 1 hour after they get sentenced to death.
They should immediately be executed once they get sentenced to death.

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Roast em high, roast em crispy. Order will be re-established and the crops will burst forth fruits and legumes to feed all the white folks. All will be well when we just kill enough people who are so poor and so black that they just don't fit in.

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The more repression and killing the more the population learns to kill and repress, on both sides of the law.

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blatham wrote:

Roast em high, roast em crispy. Order will be re-established and the crops will burst forth fruits and legumes to feed all the white folks. All will be well when we just kill enough people who are so poor and so black that they just don't fit in.

Careful,your rascism is showing.
Nobody ever made these comments,or suggested that.
You are apparently rascist and its starting to show thru.

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mysteryman
When all else fails there is always the race card to play. That I imagine is supposed to excuse punishment for the commission of a heinous crime.

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mysteryman wrote:

blatham wrote:
Roast em high, roast em crispy. Order will be re-established and the crops will burst forth fruits and legumes to feed all the white folks. All will be well when we just kill enough people who are so poor and so black that they just don't fit in.

Careful,your rascism is showing.
Nobody ever made these comments,or suggested that.
You are apparently rascist and its starting to show thru.

1. the death penalty does not reduce future instances of murder

2. in America, the death penalty is applied unjustly (see 3) and as DNA technology has increasingly demonstrated, often is applied to innocents.

3. in America, the death penalty is applied preponderantly to poor people and particularly, to poor black people

Conclusion: the death penalty has little to do with anything other than making someone feel (though it is an illusion) that affairs are made somehow better by its use. That someone who merely 'feels better' and who considers that his 'feeling better' is the measure of justice is not my friend.

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blatham,
thats why I am in favor of EVERYONE that gets the death penalty being executed no more then 1 hour after sentencing.
I made no distinction for race or anything else.
You made what was a very rascist comment.
Dont try to back out now!!

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mysteryman wrote:

blatham,
thats why I am in favor of EVERYONE that gets the death penalty being executed no more then 1 hour after sentencing.
I made no distinction for race or anything else.
You made what was a very rascist comment.
Dont try to back out now!!

The comment, I thought it would be fairly obvious, was pointing satirically to the racism that is undeniable and inherent in your present policing/judicial/sentencing system in the US.

It doesn't follow that you get to some valid 'why' with your one hour post-sentencing coffee break. You solve no problems by doing so.

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Blatham: I would imagine the statistics would show an overwhelming percentage of males are sent to prison and death row, as compared to females. If so, are we to conclude that the system unfairly discriminates against the male population?

Or ... (if I was President of Harvard I might risk my employment by suggesting the following, but ... ) is there a slight chance that males commit more crimes and capital murders than females, and because of that, there are more of them in prison and death row?

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I am curious of those who support the death penalty - how many teach their children that two wrongs don't make a right? For example, if your child has their lunch money stolen, do you suggest that they in turn steal something from that other child? If you believe that it is o-k for child to respond in kind when a wrong is committed to them, then I understand (don't agree, but understand). However, your child may have issues with the law later on.

Isn't the death penalty a similar situation, but magnified? If you kill my brother, then it is o-k for me to kill you.

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Search AP Story Archive Apr 29, 8:24 AM EDT
Jury Returns Death Sentence in GI Killings

By ESTES THOMPSON
Associated Press Writer

FORT BRAGG, N.C. (AP) -- Hours after giving a brief, barely audible apology, a soldier was sentenced to death by a military jury for attacking comrades with a rifle and grenades early in the Iraq invasion.

Sgt. Hasan Akbar, 34, could have been sentenced Thursday to life in prison with or without parole for the March 2003 attack on members of the elite 101st Airborne Division at Camp Pennsylvania in Kuwait. Two officers were killed and 14 other soldiers were wounded.

"I want to apologize for the attack that occurred. I felt that my life was in jeopardy, and I had no other options. I also want to ask you for forgiveness," Akbar told the jury before it began deliberating. He spoke in such a low voice that even prosecutors sitting nearby had trouble hearing, with one lawyer even cupping his ear.

Jurors took about seven hours to reach their decision Thursday. Last week, the same 15-person military jury took just two and a half hours last week to convict Akbar of premeditated murder and attempted premeditated murder.

Continued
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/1/101ST_ATTACKED?SITE=1010WINS&SECTION=US&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

A death sentence richly deserved.

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