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Death Penalty Opponents, This Is Who You Champion

 
 
goodfielder
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 03:05 am
Oh well, we're all volunteers here Very Happy
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 03:14 am
Eorl,
You used the words "CRIMINAL negligence"
Notice the word CRIMINAL.
iIn medicine,nothing is a guarantee,and mistakes are made.
People are not perfect.
Mistakes are not by themselves criminal.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 04:39 am
Yes I did notice the word "criminal". I've found that words I type myself rarely escape my notice.

My point remains the same. Under your proposed system, I'm sticking with those piano lessons.

I'm thinking bar work to support my lessons is out of the question though, since it is an offence to serve an intoxicated person...well some folks are good at not looking too drunk, but if that person later died, or killed someone else......

Dude, you are making it very hard to make it to old age. You don't happen to own a funeral home do you?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 04:41 am
If someone comes here, and dies laughin' at MM's thesis, do we get to shoot MM?
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Eorl
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 05:08 am
Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Setanta? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that mysteryman has some part to play yet, for good or ill before this is over.
Eorl the Grey
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 06:03 am
Spare me the self-rigteous melodrama . . . 'K?
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Eorl
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 06:14 am
It wasn't self-rigteous melodrama (sic) so much as pure plagiarism from Tolkien Razz
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 08:04 am
Lusatian wrote:
blatham wrote:
If using insult was Lusatian's main failing, most of us might still take the time to engage him and just send a better class of insult back at him. But he is untutored, careless in both thought and speech, pretty much impervious to correction or admission of error, and emotionally comfortable with all the above.


Such astute observations from one so learned. While I cannot challenge the incontestably apparent wisdom in your words and the rest of the blather that you post, and while I must retreat and lick my mortal wounds from the better class of insult that I have just suffered, please rest assured that after many years of profound study, apprenticeship under masters of knowledge like yourself, and deep coffeeshop meditation into such cataclysmic questions such as the meaning of life, the dawn of liberalism, and secret ingredients in a cup of Starbucks, I will still find those like yourself to be a societal weight necessary in a free society, but hopefully checked to prevent a rampant run of ridiculously free, and airy, thought, and the annoying hum of Kumbaya.


A rhetorical tip...there is no better measure of the unoriginal mind than a promiscuous use of cliche. Orwell
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 04:15 pm
The father of Laura Hobbs has been charged with the murders of his eight-year-old daughter and her best friend Krystal Tobias, 9, prosecutors said Tuesday. Jerry Hobbs, 34, could face the death penalty if convicted. The girls were reported missing on Mother's Day and their bodies found in a wooded park Monday.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/10/illinois.neighbors.ap/index.html


Is this crime heinous enough, for the bleeding hearts, to warrant a death penalty?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 07:26 pm
Eorl,
You said..."well some folks are good at not looking too drunk, but if that person later died, or killed someone else......"

That would not be your fault.
You didnt CHOOSe to drink,you didnt CHOOSE to drive drunk,you didnt CHOOSE to take the risk that you might kill someone.
The drunk driver CHOSE all of that,so the drunk CHOSE to accept the consequences.
Its not your fault that someone else made a bad CHOICE.

Notice the key word...CHOICE.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 07:38 pm
You are apparently unfamiliar with dram shop law and how it works in most states, MM.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 08:18 pm
Is it heinous enough -?

That's the ticket. Execute the guy. The heck with having a trial.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 08:24 pm
mysteryman wrote:
Eorl,
You said..."well some folks are good at not looking too drunk, but if that person later died, or killed someone else......"

That would not be your fault.
You didnt CHOOSe to drink,you didnt CHOOSE to drive drunk,you didnt CHOOSE to take the risk that you might kill someone.
The drunk driver CHOSE all of that,so the drunk CHOSE to accept the consequences.
Its not your fault that someone else made a bad CHOICE.

Notice the key word...CHOICE.



Serving drinks to the point of intoxication, and allowing the intoxicated to drive is a criminal offence in a number of jurisdictions. When it leads to death, MM must have the bartender and bar-owner executed. It's only right.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 09:13 pm
mm,

Where I live it is a criminal offense to serve alcohol to an intoxicated person.

If doing so results in a death, then clearly your rules would demand the execution of the bar tender.

So as not to go on forever with examples, let me just claim outright that your ideas of justice are naive and simplistic, not to mention barbaric in the extreme.
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Lusatian
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 10:42 pm
blatham wrote:
A rhetorical tip...there is no better measure of the unoriginal mind than a promiscuous use of cliche. Orwell


My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet.
Dr. Evil
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 10:52 pm
I do not believe you about the webbed feet.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 10:54 pm
Blatham's been handily outquoted.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 11:00 pm
au1929 wrote:
The father of Laura Hobbs has been charged with the murders of his eight-year-old daughter and her best friend Krystal Tobias, 9, prosecutors said Tuesday. Jerry Hobbs, 34, could face the death penalty if convicted. The girls were reported missing on Mother's Day and their bodies found in a wooded park Monday.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/10/illinois.neighbors.ap/index.html


Is this crime heinous enough, for the bleeding hearts, to warrant a death penalty?


It has nothing to do with bleeding hearts, and everything to do with the nature of society you wish to live in.
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 11:25 pm
au1929 wrote:
The father of Laura Hobbs has been charged with the murders of his eight-year-old daughter and her best friend Krystal Tobias, 9, prosecutors said Tuesday. Jerry Hobbs, 34, could face the death penalty if convicted. The girls were reported missing on Mother's Day and their bodies found in a wooded park Monday.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/10/illinois.neighbors.ap/index.html


Is this crime heinous enough, for the bleeding hearts, to warrant a death penalty?


And that misses the point. The punishment for murder shouldn't depend on the circumstances of the crime. Murder is murder is murder. It's either death or life imprisonment.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 11:37 pm
I'm sure nothing will ever convince me that untimely deaths should properly and legally result in more untimely deaths.
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