If Jesus died to forgive us, then why is there a Hell?

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My, oh my, how wonderfully fey
Plenty of baloney headin' my way
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay

Woefully erudite advancement of the thread

Hell is the basement of heaven where they sort the mail and it's all bills.

This is more of a slant. The question is often "If Jesus died for us, then..."

Rather the question is, "If we sacrifice ourselves for Jesus, then..."

It is not what Jesus did for us but what we do for Jesus.

What did the world do for Jesus? Shall we do the same? Shall we nail him upon a cross and shout accusations in his face or will we take him down from that cross in our hearts and proclaim him lord?

Then the answer becomes evident. If we nail him to a cross then we shall live in a hell, created by our mind, for doing so, but if we take him down and "forgive him" (and God) then we shall live in peace and heaven shall be our inheritance.

We make our own hell in our perceptions of spirituality.

Peace with God

RR, When man uses his imagination to nail a created persona on any cross, it's not about give and take. It's not about sacrifice or forgiveness. It's not about goodness or badness. It's not about heaven or hell. It's a comic book, and you should learn to enjoy fiction.

What shall we do for Jesus?

(1 Samuel 15:22)" . . .Look! To obey is better than a sacrifice, to pay attention than the fat of rams; "

Just ask yourself, is Jesus my Lord, and you will know your own way you have handled the Jesus story.

Whether if the Jesus story is true or not it is a story that awakens or darkens the consciousness whether if you believe it or not. It is like an acid test of the heart. Our heart will turn the litmus paper one color or another like science.

I was once told a story about a snake. A person walks into a room and turns on a light THERE IS A SNAKE IN THE ROOM. This light symbolizes the Jesus story (and many others). The snake represents the world that we are unavoidably and inexplicably tied to and interconnected with.

Once the Jesus story has opened the consciousness then the spirit of a soul becomes owned and operated by the resulting perceptions of how a person perceives the Jesus story. If one finds no mercy for Jesus then they in turn will find no mercy for their fellow human who calls out in the darkness?

If a person shuts off the light in the deepest rooms of their heart do they not then shut off the light in the rest of the house? If we do not show compassion in the most convincing judgments of the heart then what guarantee is there that we will show impartial and fair judgment otherwise?

One may shut off the light and the snake still operates in the darkness. It is not foolish to think that if some have responded to their own inner self skepticism with failure that they will also fail others in the same way.

If we condemn God and Jesus without actual proof then do we also not condemn ourselves in the process? Thus if we glorify God and Jesus and confess them from sin we then become exonerated ourselves.

Romans 10:9 KJV
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved

Comment: This verse above does not ask us to confess our sin to Jesus to be saved... It asks us to confess Jesus from sin, To confess Jesus as LORD and not as a run of the mill prophet who was deserving of everything he got handed to him. Today people are still crucifying him and spitting in his face. This is one of the greatest ways to read a persons character is by the way they treat Jesus and God. If you believe Jesus was a myth than your own existence will be forever fabled.

So does Buddha who is much "older" than jesus of the bible. Muhammed is also a story that awakens great imagination in many a human brain, and they try their best to go to Mecca at least once in their lifetime as they are taught since birth.

Once brain-washed, it's difficult for most humans to think on their own; they end up sacrificing common sense and logic - and oftentimes, science.

Bowing towards Mecca once-a-day is simply a few minutes of meditation -- it works probably as well as Yoga or Bio-feedback. Or just staring into a fireplace and totally relaxing -- one glass of a good red wine helps (no wonder Jesus turned water into wine!) Is there a channel to a god in the middle of the Arabian desert or is it just a geographic location one can view from Google maps? Muslims also worship in the city where Jesus was born, but historians have no clue where he was born or if he was crucified along with the hundreds over the entire Roman Empire in a week.

It's usually four to six times a day; depends on the country where Islam is practiced.

However, if you visit Israel, you can visit where jesus was (supposedly) born, and where he was (supposedly) crucified and taken to a "tomb."

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It's five times according to the original faith but I don't know how many American Muslims actually follow that tradition.

Is God ignorant of science?

From all the imperfections of nature, yes.

All the randomness of nature -- not an iota of logically acceptable evidence of any design or plan. Modern science came from the minds of Newton, Galileo and others who defied the Catholic church and revealed the truth it was hiding. Jesus could only die for the sins already committed -- his father making humans flawed and fallible, then punishing them for it. Quite a paradox. Hell is being ignorant of science and not accepting that people do good things and bad things. We have only the law to maintain a modicum of social order. Designing and planning does exist -- as a human effort. It's not dolled out as a talent to some and not to others by some supernatural being. It's evolution.

There's another issue without any logic or common sense; humans living in heaven sin free. What ever happens to free choice?

If Jesus was raised from the dead then he continues to make intercession for the saints.

Sure and if the moon was a mile off kilter we would all die and you call that randomness? More like fragile and far from random... planned. Pure randomness would be, say, living on a square planet or pyramid shaped etc. There is a unique order and design to our universe it is not purely random.

Do these elements look random to you? The intelligent design is staring you in the face...

So you believe in free choice, CI?

Stand aside while I build on that. . . .