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@PUNKEY,

I wouldn't say it's personal at all.

Someone came forward, clearly quite worried about the fact that they enjoy wearing clothing traditionally associated with a gender different to one which they were assigned at birth.

You responded with a transphobic comment, a joke where being trans is the punchline.

I know little about you other than the fact that you think it's okay to respond to gender questions with transphobic jokes which just makes trans/gender non-confirming people more frightened to come forward, because people like you are mocking them.

Stop whining about people not finding your bigotry funny and look in the mirror and consider why you think trans existence is a joke to you in the first place.

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@PUNKEY,

PUNKEY wrote:

So I asked three of my gay friends to comment on my “joke”

Gay people aren't spokespeople for all LGBT+ rights - especially not trans people.

Some of the biggest transphobes I've met are cis gay men and cis lesbians.

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Amusing thread, re. posters at each other's throat for a darn joke...

I'm wondering what gown the OP is so found of and whether I'm missing out on something...

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@Olivier5,

Mocking communities that are already under siege is not funny, but I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand.

Quote:

Nearly 3,000 transgender people were murdered over the last decade worldwide. The most common causes of death were shooting, stabbing and beating

Transgender people are suffering a spiral of "horrifying" violence worldwide, activists said ahead of an annual day of remembrance for victims on Tuesday aimed at raising awareness of transphobic hate crimes.

Activists have identified at least 369 reports of trans people killed within the last 12 months, but said the true number may be significantly higher.

"Trans and gender-diverse people are victims of horrifying hate violence, including extortion, physical and sexual assaults, and murder," said Lukas Berredo, a spokesman for the Trans Murder Monitoring project, which collects the data.

FACTS ON TRANSPHOBIC MURDERS:

* Nearly 3,000 transgender people were murdered over the last decade worldwide. The most common causes of death were shooting, stabbing and beating.

* At least 369 transgender people were killed in the last 12 months.

* The number of trans people reported murdered each year by TMM has risen steadily, from 148 in 2008 to 358 last year.
* Brazil is the most dangerous country to be transgender, with at least 167 people killed in the last 12 months. Mexico had 71 murders, and the United States saw 28 killed.

* Nearly two thirds of reported victims over the last decade were sex workers.

* In the United States, more than three-quarters of trans people murdered in 2018 were women from an ethnic minority and nearly two thirds were aged under 35.

* In France, Italy, Portugal, and Spain, 65 percent of reported murder victims in the last decade were migrants.

* Nearly three quarters of known U.S. victims in 2018 were initially identified by their previous gender in police or media reports, a practice activists say is disrespectful and can hamper investigations.

Sources: Trans Murder Monitoring, Trans Respect versus Transphobia Worldwide, Human Rights Commission

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/murders-of-transgender-people-rising-worldwide-1.6674858

Funny how you think murdering transgender people is amusing but you get very upset when anyone criticises the grubby little Charlie Hebdo rag. You're a bigot and a hypocrite.

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@izzythepush,

The OP is not about trans people, and I am not aware that the community of men sleeping in female night gowns is "under siege". Who is besieging them? Women who want their gown back, or men who prefer to sleep with "real men"?...

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

The OP is not about trans people

not everything is cis get over it snowflake

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@TheSubliminalKid,

Thank God for all the trans people everywhere. Sex would be far too boring without them.

Come to think of it, I visited a roman sculpture museum (Museo Barrocco) yesterday, and there were two depictions of hermaphrodites in there, among the lots of deities and heroes. According to a well known Greek myth, humanity was once non-binary... :-)

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@Olivier5,

Downvote, spew some angry **** and move along....

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

visited a roman sculpture museum (Museo Barrocco) yesterday, and there were two depictions of hermaphrodites in there...

Sorry, it's BarrAcco. Here's one instance:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zk5rhq08AzQ/Vy9Nj_TOEZI/AAAAAAAAXbs/poVnct6F6rMjSTuDT5boyTQG-g8Jw9Y4ACLcB/s1600/17barracco.jpg

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Thank God for all the trans people everywhere. Sex would be far too boring without them.

You are absolutely disgusting. Trans people do not just exist to satisfy some fetish of yours.

Interest that a thread about trans attitudes turns into you sexualising and dehumanising trans people.

Also "h*rmaphrodite" is considered a slur. Intersex people prefer the term "intersex".

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@TheSubliminalKid,

It's not a fetish; I just think they bring useful variety in the binary sex system.

By the way, an hermaphrodite is different from a "trans" in that the former is a natural, congenital condition rather than a personal choice. Not being judgmental here, just saying there's an important difference.

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@Olivier5,

You are being bigoted if I tell you that "h*rmaphrodite" is a slur and the preferred term is "intersex" and you refuse to use the preferred term.

Also the fact that you can't talk about trans people without talking about how you think they "make sex interesting" shows you ARE fetishising trans people which is something we're sick to death of. Existing while trans means messages are often received from grotty little creeps like you who see trans bodies as a sexual experiment as opposed to just being a person that happens to be trans.

Also trans isn't a choice. People don't "become" trans.

Basically Olivier, you're:

transphobic
cissexist
fetishising trans people
say being trans is a "choice"
and weirdly perv over intersex people
refer to intersex people as a gross term

just admit you hate trans people and piss off because trying to pretend otherwise is just slimy and creepy

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@Olivier5,

All trans people I know have at least one example of being sexually assaulted and a large proportion of is is because people like you see "trans" as something inherently sexual as opposed to just "someone who doesn't identify with the gender they were assigned at birth"

Anyway you're not trans or intersex so you don't get an opinion bye

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@TheSubliminalKid,

TheSubliminalKid wrote:

Olivier5 wrote:

The OP is not about trans people

not everything is cis get over it snowflake

Kid, I have to agree with the opinion this is not about trans people.

Not everything is cis? Well not everything is about any alternates to that either.

I see no difference between what the OP wrote, and saying, "I like to sleep in a 3 piece tuxedo suit and swim fins"

I would have said the same thing. Sleep time is personal time, and you should sleep in what makes you comfortable.

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@TheSubliminalKid,

The word "hermaphrodite" means something different from "transsexual", which describes a person changing sex: "hermaphrodite" means BOTH male and female. E.g. one can say that snails are hermaphrodite: each individual combines complete and functional male and female reproductive organs, and their copulation with another snail is completely symmetrical (A impregnates B while B impregnates A).

It also means (in humans) somebody born with sexual organs that cannot squarely be categorized as male or female, somehow "in between". I don't think the word is a slur, although it is not scientifically correct because it's never about someone who has both functional female and male organs. In any case, I'm happy to use the word "intersex" about modern cases, but when talking of antiquity, it seems better to use the time-honored term "hermaphrodite" even if not biologically correct.

You project your own hatred, by the way. Just because you hate me doesn't mean I need to hate you.

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@TheSubliminalKid,

And I have personally been sexually assaulted countless times, by males, females, and non-binary people, because people like you see "cis" men as sexually available by default.

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@chai2,

I think it’d be a deal breaker if my wife wanted to sleep in a 3 piece tuxedo suit and swim fins.

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@Olivier5,

That’s cool.

However, when you say deal breaker, do you mean you would divorce your wife if she decided that’s how she’s comfortable sleeping?

If you came to the point in a new relationship where you actually sleep together, not just having sex, and that person told you that’s how they are comfortable sleeping, would that in itself cause you to break off the relationship?

I guess I can imagine things that a person would like to do to sleep that would cause me to end a relationship. Things that caused pain to me, or that person, physically, mentally or morally. I would choose to end such a relationship.

Or something that smelled really bad to me. Or if they said they had to have loud music or some other noise without headphones, and I couldn’t find something that could deaden the sound. Those things would be a deal breaker in that I would have to sleep in another room. Just like if someone snored in a way that I couldn’t sleep.

But a deal breaker that ended a relationship? No.

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@chai2,

I was joking. She sleeps in worse than that, come to think of it. The tuxedo would actually be an improvement.

Edit: don’t get me wrong, i’m just very found of that image of yours, a person sleeping in swim fins and tuxedo... :-)

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@Olivier5,

Ohhhh.....jokes....I get jokes.

Honestly? I can't remember the last time I purchased clothes that were specifically for sleep. For a long time I would just buy those mens white T shirts in a package in size jumbo.

Then, a couple years ago I lost some weight (started eating keto), and started wearing now a bit too large versions of what I usually wear during the day. Day wardrobe is mostly 3/4 length V neck tops and draw string crop loose yoga pants. That's what I wear like at least 90% of the time. For cold weather sleeping I got some old longer loose weird harem pants.

Actually, I usually take off whatever I have on as I get into bed. So they are more like my pre-bedtime/hanging out at the house clothes.

Clothes just aren't my thing as far as caring what I look like.

heh....as far as deal breakers, when I pull my nightclothes off the floor and put them on to get up, or when I grab them to put on for hanging around, I really don't pay attention to the shirts, and put them on whichever way I pick them up.
My husband got annoyed once and said "Do you realize you've got that on inside out?"
I told him Wednesday was "wear your shirt inside out day", and that he should get with the program. Smile

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