Is faith healing real?

Due to the placebo effect one who believes is 30% better off than one who has no belief. I have heard no one say how much of an effect disbelief has on one.

Disbelief in an error can not possibly cause harm.

Following Puglia's argument so far, not only has nothing validated his proposition, but yet more fantastic claim has been brought forth in the support attempt concerning the original fantastic claim.

You know the environment is not so friendly here for a guy like me to share my personal experiences that will be dismissed with great skepticism and not much kindness.

Don't mean to be unkind at all, Husker. That to which I take exception is presenting personal observation and annecdote as subtantive evidence of anything other than what it is - subjective and personal observation and annecdote - absent academically valid, forensically sound, independently verifiable corroborative documentation, it is opinion.

Thats my opinion, anyhow.

with todays HIPPA laws it might be pretty hard to get in my case the person that came to me after an MRI and a discovery that was only correctable with and operation about 10 days after the MRI and around a week before the operation she came to me and asked that I might put my hand on here to pray for healing and it did. She went ahead with the operation due to being unsure and unaware and found out that there was nothing to be fixed, to get forensically sound, independently verifiable info could be difficult - I'm not sure one how you would share an MRI then get another MRI? right and the HIPPA rules - that's an act of congress.


One thing is I don't usually go around publizing my successes but the recipient might - another is that I don't just pray on anyone unless so moved by the Holy Spirit. One couple I didn't do to them and about 18 months later I was moved to visit them and pray on the wife.

Tonight by much conviction and my not seeing or hearing; I will be visiting 2 or maybe 3 people depending on circumstances.
person one in ICU with terrible infection from pins being removed from spine
person two terrible staph infection from unknown source (sound like my situation) his kidney's were attacked and had to go on dialysis and then his heart was attacked cause damage to a heart valve, a piece infection broke loose and caused him to have a stroke. yesterday right before the open heart operation he had another stroke (we're talking a vibrant 44 year old guy than run 4 to 6 miles a days and live a good life style).

Neither of these people I would seek out under normal circumstances - but these are not normal time and circumstances and the push I'm getting to do this is undeniable.

What you believe works for you is what you believe works for you. What would constitute academically valid, forensically sound, independently verifiable data in no way involves any personally identifiable information - in fact, legitimate statistical practice divorces individual identity from observed and recorded data. All that matters is the data - how it was gathered, how it was verified, the methodology employed to derive the conclusion, and sufficient other information as would be required to enable consistent independent duplication of similar result given similar parameters. Belief is one thing, legitimate, objective evidentiary finding is alltogether different. No academically sound study ever has validated faith healing. Faith healing may or may not be real. No verified, incontravertable, reproducible, peer-reviewed-and-accepted, published evidence indicates it is, while much suggests it is not.

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Neither of these people I would seek out under normal circumstances - but these are not normal time and circumstances and the push I'm getting to do this is undeniable.[/quote]

amen.

There is an acceleration that I can feel right now. I am not alone. I too have been activated by YAH .Begining about ten years ago a fellow business person in my city was soon to become my best friend, we embarked on a frenzy of reading and searching while allowing an inner guideance to direct our topics of interest. Separately and simultaneously we arrived at the same conclusions. we are at the point now where very strange but explianable phenomenon is occuring on an increased frequency. For example I have several employees and my best friend who were directly involved with me knowing that a client had called but.... (blurting it out loud but unaware that I said it until after I said it) I had no way of knowing that the client called since I was fixing my Friends' reverse osmosis for the previous two hours. Other powers have been manifest in me as well. Basiclly praying
for a specific outcome of a predicament ,and having it not only being answered but even to the point where cars moved out of my way as if I had red and blue lights flashing on my truck. These things have happened specifically in proportion to the knowledge about the devine that I aquired. De-toxification, and meditation. If you could feel what I have felt It would change your life too. Its one thing to read and learn and form an opinion, but entirely another to put the knowledge to work and watch your life transform. This is why I want you to explore and learn for yourselves these things since I know the same thing will happen to you too. That would be the fruit I am trying to produce.

I am listening to Dateline and they are citing documented cases of healing!!!

In my next post I will say what I really wanted to say tonight.

love to YAH all

Rock & Roll heals ("Oh yes. That's for sure."):

I got the flu once and I prayed to Porky Pig for two weeks straight.....CURED !!!

I guess I was offered a better deal. Once I was told by a compassionate, believing co-worker I could pray a case of flu away in just 7 days. I did nothing beyond rest and keep up fluid intake, and it took me a week to get better.

This is a spiritual, religion debate site right? OK Timbo you are absolutely missing the point. When these things occur to YOU and you are healed than you are left with no choice by facing reality and validating responsibility. Have you read the book of Enoch? have you ever considered that even with todays technology we couldn't duplicate what was built during the Mayan run. Is it not a valid question since we have no acceptable valid answer. If mainstream media and the aluminati do not accept it, you will never hear about it; unless you overturn every stone and find it yourself

Also I cite as a very relevant scripture below which kind of describes what has happened to many.And what is happening here.

1 cor 2:6-16

1 cor 13:11 and 14:1-12

Matt 12:36

Luke 9:10 "Keep asking and it will be givin to you: keep seeking and you will find: keep knocking and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who goes on asking receives: and he who goes on seeking finds: and to him who continues knocking, the door will be opened"I'm ready to shift gears, we will soon explore the connection between the spoken word and the biohologram, as well as how it relates to the embryonic stem cell and the molecular transformations that occur through accoustics.

Gospelman-do not be afraid, you have a purpose and you will fulfill it. This is a good place to help. And actually not as harsh as I thought it would be.

Ascension is the goal

EorI, Finally got that l-o-n-g orgasm heh? LOL

There you go again. Don't you have enough respect for your audience and your message to at least run a spell check?

Timber can assure you I am a believer. We've been around the flagpole more than once. When someone claiming to be a believer posts sloppy replies, it grates me. Timber and Setanta and many of the rest do thorough homework and post well thought out replies (usually). You, have taken an emotional mirage and accepted it as truth, all the while ignoring Paul's letter proclaiming that "8 Love never fails. But whether there are [gifts of] prophesying, they will be done away with; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will be done away with. 9 For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially; 10 but when that which is complete arrives, that which is partial will be done away with."(1 Corinthians 13:8-10)

c.i. ..... huh?

Can someone let me know how to activate the spell check, whenever it displays what it thinks is an error, it shows the correction exactly as the error is spelled.

Again I'm sorry. I have told you that I do not intend on insulting you or disrepecting you with spelling errors.

Why have so many Americans learned to use diversionary tactics, to re-focus the attention to an irrelevant point?

Neo- If you believe nothing deserves eternal punishment, then you are not a "believer" since you would be in total disagreement with the creators' will.

Eorl- I'm sorry for my spelling error, are you a believer in the Lord or are you just here to set a new record for the shortest posts.

Dont you people check out sources it seems to me that I am the only one on the last few pages to cite any! Who may I ask does it look like is presenting an emotional mirage?

Spelling erorrs do not dispel the substance of the post, only after understanding FACT and applying it to reality can you advance. sorry Timbo you just get one bar.

Healer, are you listening to this?

This is a website for all manner of discussion, puglia, having at the moment something over 1.3 million articles spread across some 50,000-plus topics distributed among 12 categories comprising more than 60 forums, with a member list approaching 40,000, recording tens of thousands of page views from several thousand unique visitors, representing every continent exept Antarctica (and we've had members visit there) and receiving thousands of posts per day, every day. Lots of server power, and lots and lots of bandwidth. Its pretty much whatever you want it to be.


I beg to differ - In this particular discussion, I cut straight to the point.


Nonsense. The unexplained does not entail superstitious assumptions of causality. That something is unexplained means merely insufficient data is at hand to formulate a reasonable, logical explanation. Some folks, however, simply can't bring themselves to admit "I don't know", so they leap at fantastic, comforting psuedosolutions, solutions bereft of logic, empirical evidence, and at odds with mankind's assembled body of knowledge. Theology is merely philosophy with rituals. Science is philosophy stripped for action.


Which version? The Charles translation of the Ethiopic texts, or the Lawrence translation, the Milik translation of the Qumran texts? Or, perhaps, do you refer to the Slavic, or the Orthodox texts? Why, yes, I have, all of them, and assorted versions and translations of the various canonical Bibles, and the rest of The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of both testaments, as well as much critique, discussion, and commentary thereunto related Have you?


Poppycock. To exactly reproduce a Mayan temple or an Egyptian pyramid, a medieval cathedral, a moated, fortified stone castle, the Great Wall of China, or the Panama Canal would be cost-prohibitive, but quite doable. You dig up the funding and secure the necessary land and permits, and I'll oversee the contracting.


That there is no valid answer does not invalidate the question by any means. That means simply, and by definition, that the question remains unanswered. That the question might remain unanswered for so long as it has indicates at the very least there is no easy answer, and leads to suspicion the answer well may be at hand, and in the negative. Still, the question remains unanswered, the proposition remains unproven despite much passion and zeal and great effort in the matter of its discovery. There is as yet, and may never be, an answer. And then, "No" IS an answer ... perhaps thats staring us in the face. There is scant weight for the "Yes" argument - none, in fact, outside its promoters - while reams and reams of documentation counters the proposition and continues to build.


Poppycock again. That there is no evidence does not mean the media and"aluminati" (actually, that would be Illuminati) "do not accept" anything; it means nothing to support the proposition has been proven in forensically sound, academically valid, independently reproducible and verifiable manner. There is nothing to reject.


Please feel free to shift gears; while I see no reason to expect it will be so, it is possible changing your applied torque might result in less wheelspin. You're getting nowhere with what you've got right now.


Some here think so - we try, and we enjoy what there is here. That's why we're here.

Help if you wish and are able. You won't find much of a fanclub for proselytizing and preaching, though.


Not harsh at all - quite the contrary, in fact; civil, reasoned, tolerant, and inquisitive ... though with relatively rigorous standards for debate and foundation thereof. Around here, burden of proof is a big thing, and around here, the burden of proof lies with the proponent of the proposition. If you state a case, be not dismayed to be called upon to make that case, and be likewise not dismayed should demand be made of you to adhere to forensically sound, academically valid, independently verifiable manner of support for your proposition. Circular logic, solely self-referencing "validation", and diversionary responses don't carry any weight here at all.


Hmmmmmm .... well, whatever gets ya high.

My "huh?" was intended for c.i. - cicerone imposter.

And no, I don't see any lords, at least none worthy of capitalization.