Should DeLay resign

I done some checking Zell and apparently he is known as Zig Zag Zell, so I am not so sure he was acting out of principles as just popular politics. He seems to go with what is popular at the moment.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50841-2004Aug31.html

In any event I am not sure what this has to do with the subject of Tom Delay and Bolton.

It is a convenient distraction, a diversion in the course of the discussion, away from that which embarrasses the conservatives . . .

parados,
This came out during the campaign,and Kerry didnt deny it.
And,since it was on a NATIONAL news show,it would be impossible for him to deny it.

But,for your education,here it is...
http://hnn.us/articles/3552.html

This is from the History News Network...
"On May 6, 2001 Tim Russert interviewed Senator John Kerry on Meet the Press. In the course of the interview, Mr. Russert asked the senator about his views on Vietnam"...

..."There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed"...

Now,dont take my word for it,go read it yourself.


As far as Kennedy goes,I have NEVER heard,seen,or read that anywhere.
Do you have a single link to back up your statement about him not being in the car?
I would like to see that for myself.

About Byrd,my mistake,I thought he had been state leader of the Klan.
Tell me,does that then forgive or reduce his involvement in any crimes the klan may have committed in his area while he was leader?

Are you willing to say that as a klansman,he can be fair to minorities,or that he deserves to be in the Senate?

Republicans will make any wild accusations they can dream up against any and every non Republican in view to try to avoid the issue, which is Tom Delay. Guess what? It ain't working. More info about DeLay's guilt was in the news over the weekend. He's going down.

Day eight....the Tom Delay death watch continues...

heeheeheeheehee . . .

the final frame in that panel is priceless . . .

Indeed.

Credit Receipts for DeLay Trip Raise Concerns


More fuel for the fire. I wonder what it will take to finally burn this guy?


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/25/politics/25delay.html?th&emc=th

Lets face it. All these lawmakers are picking up the perks, etc. They get away with it because nobody really cares that much. It has always been that way.

When it gets to the point that they do start looking at a couple of thousand in trips here, a few thousand in tickets there, then you know your days are numbered. They wouldn't even bother bringing up this comparatively penny-ante stuff unless they have already decided to get rid of you and are just looking to pad the list of reasons why.

kelticwizard

Nice to see you. But your argument here isn't very compelling...

"all cops in LA have committed racist acts sometime or another and so anyone of them busted for it is different from all other cops only in that he found himself in someone's sights for an entirely different reason thus probably no big problem if he gets away with it"

"The Rich always find ways to dodge taxes, so why bother taxing them?"

Cycloptichorn

looks like the hammer's becoming the nail.

cyclo

Yes. Ethics is discernment - discernment regarding which acts a person/group who are in positions of power or priviledge might get up to which are particularly damaging to the profession they represent and/or the citizens they serve.

And it involves discernment as regards how egregious or damaging individual cases and persons might be.

Ethical judgements can be tough to figure out and to adjudicate justly, but to give up on the enterprise out of apathy or cynicism regarding all human motivation/behavior seems the way to rather less pleasant communities.l

Agreed. But, that's exactly what the 3% on top of our nation want, it's exactly what has been worked towards for years.

It's sad to think that the fate of this fine country rests in the hands of the morons who live in it...

Cycloptichorn

Just like my family. But we have locked away the worst of us in the East Tower.

I am more then willing to see DeLay go down,if it is PROVEN that he did something wrong.

Are you willing to let the dems go thru the same anal exam that you are putting DeLay thru?
Are you willing to hold dems to the same standard you are holding DeLay to?
Somehow,I dont think so.

what are you talking about, mm ? you yourself bring up the clintons all the time.

6+ million dollars sniffing around and nothing. except, "oh yeah. during our investigation, we discovered that bill cheated on his wife. let's forget about the sanctity of marriage and the privacy that goes with it. let's just ream the guy out. better than admitting we just spent years pursuing an undomesticated fowl. hahahahahaha! ".

The examples mysteryman brings up are superfluous. Ed Kennedy? Settled long ago, whether or not one agrees with the resolution. Clinton? He has already been punished/harrassed and is beyond the fray. Byrd? He recognized the error of racism many years ago, confessed his wrong-ness and changed his ways. DeLay continues with his shady activities and refuses to recognize his crimes, at least publicly.

To be honest, I really didn't think I was making one. Just an observation.

In the time I've been looking at politics, I guess I have seen a few of these dethronements now, and they all seem to follow a pattern. In the last days before execution, they start digging up things that normally would not cause much of a stir.

What I really think it is, is this: they are sending a messsage to DeLay that they no longer respect his power. A poweful man might be able to marshall his resources and fight something through, but when they come out with the comparatively small stuff, it means that the decision has been made that he has to go and they are just typing up the list to make it official. There is nothing left for him to argue about.

I was not expressing any particular sympathy for DeLay, just making the observation that I think that he now politically in a position that he cannot come back from.

As far as being blasé about taking favors from lobbyists, I admit I probably am.

The system is so beholden to people with money for campaign funding, I have to wonder if a couple of airplane tickets and hotel bill taken care of really change anything.

To run for office, the candidate needs money. So, he has to go to people who have a lot of money to give. I am sure there are strict rules about what the candidate can say or not say to get these interests to give, but it all boils down to the fact that every candidate is at least partially bought and paid for the second he takes office.

I do believe that who we vote for makes a difference. I also think that most of these people still have a piece of themselves that is NOT bought already, and with luck and skill they can parlay that piece into doing some good for the country.

But given the present state of campaign financing, yes I confess: I can't get worked up about a few thousand dollars for a plane trip from a lobbyist. Not when everyone from the President to the newest freshman Representative is hitting up lobbyists for vast sums of money for the campaign chest every election cycle.