@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:The conservative vs. liberal beliefs (for lack of thinking of a better word) is so ingrained in our society that reasonable information sharing is just impossible among the most partisan among us. More people want UHC or at least a good working Obamacare than do not in this country. However, those that do not, seem to be the more powerful among us and they are able to keep their base with them no matter the facts.
People here have labelled me 'far right,' which is not true; though I'm sure it makes sense from the perspective of someone who is far left and wants to normalize it by calling anyone who doesn't tow the socialist line 'far right.'
That said, I can actually imagine many forms of socialized health care that would be good if they could work, but the reality is that they can't work. Why can't they work? Because of greed and system-manipulation. There are too many savvy people who can get involved with any system and use it to trigger funds transfers to create more jobs and generally redistribute wealth from the haves to the have-nots.
Democrats are always complaining about how the rich hold such a large proportion of the country's wealth, as if it wealth was a collective pie to be divied up among all the citizens. That in itself is a horrible ethic of how to manage wealth. The point of wealth isn't to divide it up; it's to protect and conserve it for future generations. Socialism is greedy people fighting over control of wealth and the means of consumption instead of doing the right thing, which is putting forth ideas for how to steward resources better and how to live with less.
So while it would be really great to have health care that stewards the health of all people in a way that optimizes their quality of life and thus their ability to participate in taking responsibility for resources and wealth for future generations; that won't happen due to ACA, medicare/medicaid expansion, or any other UHC 'system' where people are using rules and policies to trigger funds-transfers for care and medical activities.
Instead, people will use whatever 'system' you create to vye for more money, higher income, and more business success. People want bigger houses, new cars, more driving, more going out to eat, more vacations, more parties, more/newer clothes, bigger more comfortable houses, etc. etc. They don't want to be healthy, responsible stewards of wealth/resources for future generations; and even those who do mostly don't reflect on how much more wasteful and irresponsible their economic choices are than they could be.
There's a lot of ignorance and greed masquerading as a sense of entitlement for being, 'just a normal middle class person struggling to get by.'