I don't hate America,i need some help

Re: I don't hate America,i need some help


I think you might have come to the wrong place, this place is filled with American hating communist pinko freaks.

Welcome to A2K

They hate us because we're arrogant, greedy, and in charge.

But unfortunately, that's how the 'game' of world-affairs is played.

Wait around, stford - some sensible answers may yet emerge.

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.

You're falling into a trap. Clever people attack the government. We ourselves may love the forms of government and yet hate the people governing. The America you and I love is people and animals and ocean and quiet brooks ad infintum. We can make choices many are not allowed.
The love comes from parents and friends and religion and neighbors. Who has not seen a child, not even your own, that just lit up your life with a laugh? Who has not wondered at the heroism shown by firemen policemen and regular folks on the terrible day when the twin towers went down. Who has not stopped to help an unknown person or been an unknown person to someone who reached out to help.
This is what we love. This is our America.

I am an America loving pinko communist freak. Do I have a place in this discussion?

Oops! Forgot my manners stford. Welcome to a2k. I hope I helped.

I love Leon's Second Hand Book store in San Luis Obispo - it's fantastic wandering around the rooms he has (or had, haven't been there for a few years). I'm always reminded of Samuel Johnson "blessed are the booksellers for they are liberal men" and blessed are the second hand dealers because they let you have great books for just a few bucks.

I hope to one day pick up a bargain at Leon's that describes the downfall of Bush and the Republican lizard government and how America recovered its mojo. I want to read how Bush and his cronies were finally deposed by Americans who were sick of the lies, the hypocrisy, the corruption, the artificially created climate of fear and who forced the Democrats to find a spine (even if it had to be grown from stem cells and implanted in each and every Democrat member of Congress). And I want to find it in the section Leon has that is marked "American History" and not "Science Fiction".

What do they "hate" about America?

Freedom? Opportunity? Income? Millions in support to other nations? Our ability to defending other nations when they can't/won't?


Maybe they are just jealous.

I can love America while hating the ones destroying it. I am a pinko liberal.

They think we are fat, arrogent, wasteful, loud, obnoxious, meddling, money grubbing, resource hording pigs.

Well I'm certainly not very enamoured of the US government, but what bewilders me most is the fundamentalist fervour of apparently ordinary people. Very hard to make sense of from the other side of the planet.

I think the problem is in your understanding the distinction between loving ones country, freedom and ideals and loving ones government.

Would you prefer no dissent? Nothing negative ever being said about the US government? No information of wrong doing by the government in our name?

Cause THAT is what has earned the pinko commi tag and it is being placed on decent concerned citizens for nothing more than holding their government accountable.

Do you prefer we just all hold hands, close our eyes and sing "Let the Eagle Soar" for the next four years?

This might help make things a little clearer for you, stford:

http://www.thoughtcrimes.org/mt/archives/002022.html

I like America
I hate our government.
I saw a bumper sticker the other day that was FUNNY

" The road to hell is paved with Republicans and landscaped with Bush"
:-)

I suppose any 'anti-american' sentiment in Europe tends to be caused by one or more of the following:

A diametrically opposed possition on Israel/Palestine, the US is very one sided in this conflict, and on the wrong side according to many europeans.

A sense that the US is continually judging and condemning the rest of the world for not living up to standards that they themselves do not. When the US is accused of installing dictators and or propping them up, the charge is more ofthen than not hypocricy. An average person passing himself off as a saint and lecturing others with a holier than though attitude is ofthen more annoying than a complete asshole who claims to be nothing else.

An impression that the US holds the international comunity in contempt, and or considers itself the proper arbiter of international affairs. US opposition to international courts, and the insistance that US citizens not be subject to this courts rulings is one of many thing which reinforces this perception. More recently the Iraq war has also caused US standing in europe to slip. The charge here, wholly appart from the issue of the war itself, is that the US failed to abide by due process in rushing the war without allowing inspections to run their course.

That's pretty much it I think.

Oh, and disliking americans is also trendy in some parts of europe, kind of like american animosity for the french.

There is a big difference between hating America and hating Americans.

Everyone hates Americans... even Americans hate Americans.

Look at the last election... If you were an American either hated the power hungry republican racist fundamentalists, or the liberal tree-hugging, anti-gun, anti-marriage "pinko commie" democrats.

The election and the follow-up showed that every American hates at least half of his countrymen. Throw in the overlap-- groups that everyone hates, and you probably hate a majority of Americans.

If you say you "love America" you are just saying that you love your little narrow point of view of America. If you are white middle class you like the white middle class view of America. If you are third generation latino American you love a very different America.

We all love ourselves. It's just the "others" we hate.

I also like America, but hate its government.