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Sad Day here, but Mike S dances

 
 
kickycan
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2005 01:05 pm
I know I'm going to regret this, but...how the hell does that show that his concerns over Terri are a mere pretense?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2005 01:18 pm
kickycan wrote:
I know I'm going to regret this, but...how the hell does that show that his concerns over Terri are a mere pretense?


It pretty much shows he is vindictive in his approach to Terri's parents, and the fact that he showed little if any regard to them in her last moments shows he was more concerned with his own selfish desires, than with what Terri might have wanted. Do you think Terri would want him to kick her parents out during her last moments? Did he show any concern for them (and thus her) when he acted that way?
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2005 01:21 pm
How many angels can dance on the end of a pin?

(Perhaps I should start a thread on this; another question we can all opine endlessly...)
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2005 01:24 pm
Michael has repeatedly proven himself to be selfish, controlling, and vindictive.

Why wouldn't he turn over guardianship to the Schindlers? He told you the ONLY reason was because he didn't want to because he was being selfish, controlling, and vindictive.

He didn't mention anything about Terri's alleged wishes until after his lawyer reminded him to do so. His alleged concerns for Terri's wishes are a mere pretense. Terri's death has always been about what Michael wants and his motivations for wanting her dead . . . nothing else.

Was Michael enforcing Terri's wishes when he refused to allow her parents to be with her during her final moments? How can you see that final act of cruelty as anything but selfish, controlling, and vindictive?

You don't need to pull your head out of the sand. If you find comfort in claiming that you cannot see the obvious, then stay where you're at.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2005 01:28 pm
ConstitutionalGirl wrote:
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
ConstitutionalGirl wrote:
How awful, she died alone, because of Evil Act's. Mike better get some protection, because folks are really angry. And how dare him have an Autopsy, if he's wrong may God help him. And how dare those Bush's say publicly, when nothing was done. I need a cool down here, maybe some Ice Cream.


Yes, these angry "err on the side of life people". I guess that's a euphemism for "err on the side of life if you agree with me, otherwise drop dead ya bastid" Laughing
"Oh," you pretty little Witch, you like ur Soddom on the dead ones, "don't ya?"


WTF?
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kickycan
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2005 01:31 pm
I knew I'd regret asking that. I'm sorry. I should have stayed out of it. You guys can't possibly see any other point of view. I should have realized that.

See ya.
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Lady J
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2005 01:33 pm
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
ConstitutionalGirl wrote:
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
ConstitutionalGirl wrote:
How awful, she died alone, because of Evil Act's. Mike better get some protection, because folks are really angry. And how dare him have an Autopsy, if he's wrong may God help him. And how dare those Bush's say publicly, when nothing was done. I need a cool down here, maybe some Ice Cream.


Yes, these angry "err on the side of life people". I guess that's a euphemism for "err on the side of life if you agree with me, otherwise drop dead ya bastid" Laughing
"Oh," you pretty little Witch, you like ur Soddom on the dead ones, "don't ya?"


WTF?


I was wondering where the h*ll that came from too, BVT and what it all meant. I thought maybe you two were quoting movie lines back and forth or something..... Confused
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kickycan
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2005 01:43 pm
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
ConstitutionalGirl wrote:
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
ConstitutionalGirl wrote:
How awful, she died alone, because of Evil Act's. Mike better get some protection, because folks are really angry. And how dare him have an Autopsy, if he's wrong may God help him. And how dare those Bush's say publicly, when nothing was done. I need a cool down here, maybe some Ice Cream.


Yes, these angry "err on the side of life people". I guess that's a euphemism for "err on the side of life if you agree with me, otherwise drop dead ya bastid" Laughing
"Oh," you pretty little Witch, you like ur Soddom on the dead ones, "don't ya?"


WTF?


I think it's a voodoo curse. You should expect your balls to turn to powder within the next four to seven days.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2005 02:02 pm
kickycan wrote:
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
ConstitutionalGirl wrote:
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
ConstitutionalGirl wrote:
How awful, she died alone, because of Evil Act's. Mike better get some protection, because folks are really angry. And how dare him have an Autopsy, if he's wrong may God help him. And how dare those Bush's say publicly, when nothing was done. I need a cool down here, maybe some Ice Cream.


Yes, these angry "err on the side of life people". I guess that's a euphemism for "err on the side of life if you agree with me, otherwise drop dead ya bastid" Laughing
"Oh," you pretty little Witch, you like ur Soddom on the dead ones, "don't ya?"


WTF?


I think it's a voodoo curse. You should expect your balls to turn to powder within the next four to seven days.


That's okay. We can reconstitute them. Just add spittle.
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ConstitutionalGirl
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2005 03:57 pm
Debra_Law wrote:
Michael has repeatedly proven himself to be selfish, controlling, and vindictive.

Why wouldn't he turn over guardianship to the Schindlers? He told you the ONLY reason was because he didn't want to because he was being selfish, controlling, and vindictive.

He didn't mention anything about Terri's alleged wishes until after his lawyer reminded him to do so. His alleged concerns for Terri's wishes are a mere pretense. Terri's death has always been about what Michael wants and his motivations for wanting her dead . . . nothing else.

Was Michael enforcing Terri's wishes when he refused to allow her parents to be with her during her final moments? How can you see that final act of cruelty as anything but selfish, controlling, and vindictive?

You don't need to pull your head out of the sand. If you find comfort in claiming that you cannot see the obvious, then stay where you're at.
"Wow, your good at this!" :wink:
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panzade
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2005 04:32 pm
This is such a pathetic thread...i'm gonna go wash my hands ....with bleach.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2005 04:44 pm
I was thinking of drinking bleach...
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2005 04:45 pm
Ah yes. If people had put on their blinders (as they are doing now with respect to Michael Schiavo) when Laci Peterson "disappeared," Scott Peterson would now be playing the role of grieving husband whose missing wife washed up on shore and would be finding comfort in the arms of his lover instead of finding himself as an inmate on death row.

"Willful Blindness."

We embrace Laci Peterson's mother and father in their grieving role as the parents of a murdered daughter . . . yet we chastise Terri Schiavo's parents to simply get over it because their daughter was not a vibrant, shining example of life as Laci was.

Now that Michael has managed to succeed in his mission to end his wife's "meaningless" life, I expect him to sell his "heroic story" of a husband's undying love for almost brain dead wife (while finding comfort in the arms of another woman who bears his children) . . . and Michael can live happily ever after with his millions while the rest of us watch his version of the story unfold before our eyes in some television movie of the week. . . .
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2005 04:48 pm
Gaaaaaaaaa gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa gaaaaaaaaa gag ga gaaaaaaaaaaaa

What am I?

A. A baby
B. The pope delivering a speech on Easter?
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2005 04:49 pm
I think you may be getting a bit head of yourself, Deb, with the talk of Michael Schiavo's millions. Besides, I'm sure there will be a huge audience of an account by the Schindlers, who seem quite adept at capturing public attention...
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2005 05:30 pm
Oh yeah . . . time will tell, D'artagnan. Some things are foreseeable.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2005 05:32 pm
Schiavo case timeline
For the facts and timeline in the Schiavo case without all the innuendo and spin:

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=48601&highlight=
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2005 05:41 pm
Here's another individual's assessment of Michael's and Michael's attorney's potential for financial gain from Terri's death:

HER BODY, MY SELF : What's In It for Michael Schiavo?

http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/005350.php

Quote:
Terri Schiavo is worth six to eight million dollars to Michael Schiavo if, and only if, she's dead. If she continues living nothing happens on the book or movie front because there's no ending. When she dies, it is jackpot time for Michael.
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Child of the Light
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2005 05:52 pm
Slappy Doo Hoo wrote:
You forgot "don't care" in your poll question.

This whole thing was so overblown in the media, I could care less I ever learned about it.


I'm with you completely. How did a veggie with bad acne become a media darling? Confused
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2005 06:13 pm
Is Michael dancing for joy? Is he doing the money dance? "I'm rich! I'm rich!"

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AFFIDAVIT

STATE OF FLORIDA

COUNTY OF PINELLAS

BEFORE ME the undersigned authority personally appeared CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N., who being first duly sworn, deposes and says:

1. My name is Carla Sauer Iyer. I am over the age of eighteen and make this statement of my own personal knowledge.

2. I am a registered nurse in the State of Florida, having been licensed continuously in Florida from 1997 to the present. Prior to that I was a Licensed Practical Nurse for about four years.

3. I was employed at Palm Garden of Largo Convalescent Center in Largo, Florida from April of 1995 to July 1996, while Terri Schiavo was a patient there.

4. It was clear to me at Palm Gardens that all decisions regarding Terri Schiavo were made by Michael Schiavo, with no allowance made for any discussion, debate or normal professional judgment. My initial training there consisted solely of the instruction “Do what Michael Schiavo tells you or you will be terminated.” This struck me as extremely odd.

5. I was very disturbed by the decision making protocol, as no allowance whatsoever was made for professional responsibility. The atmosphere throughout the facility was dominated by Mr. Schiavo’s intimidation. Everyone there, with the exception of several people who seemed to be close to Michael, was intimidated by him. Michael Schiavo always had an overbearing attitude, yelling numerous times such things as “This is my order and you’re going to follow it.” He is very large and uses menacing body language, such as standing too close to you, getting right in your face and practically shouting.

6. To the best of my recollection, rehabilitation had been ordered for Terri, but I never saw any being done or had any reason at all to believe that there was ever any rehab of Terri done at Palm Gardens while I was there. I became concerned because nothing was being done for Terri at all, no antibiotics, no tests, no range of motion therapy, no stimulation, no nothing. Michael said again and again that Terri should NOT get any rehab, that there should be no range of motion whatsoever, or anything else. I and a CNA named Roxy would give Terri range of motion anyway. One time I put a wash cloth in Terri’s hand to keep her fingers from curling together, and Michael saw it and made me take it out, saying that was therapy.

7. Terri’s medical condition was systematically distorted and misrepresented. When I worked with her, she was alert and oriented. Terri spoke on a regular basis while in my presence, saying such things as “mommy,” and “help me.” “Help me” was, in fact, one of her most frequent utterances. I heard her say it hundreds of times. Terri would try to say the word “pain” when she was in discomfort, but it came out more like “pay.” She didn’t say the “n” sound very well. During her menses she would indicate her discomfort by saying “pay” and moving her arms toward her lower abdominal area. Other ways that she would indicate that she was in pain included pursing her lips, grimacing, thrashing in bed, curling her toes or moving her legs around. She would let you know when she had a bowel movement by flipping up the covers and pulling on her diaper.

8. When I came into her room and said “Hi, Terri”, she would always recognize my voice and her name, and would turn her head all the way toward me, saying “Haaaiiiii” sort of, as she did. I recognized this as a “hi”, which is very close to what it sounded like, the whole sound being only a second or two long. When I told her humorous stories about my life or something I read in the paper, Terri would chuckle, sometimes more a giggle or laugh. She would move her whole body, upper and lower. Her legs would sometimes be off the bed, and need to be repositioned. I made numerous entries into the nursing notes in her chart, stating verbatim what she said and her various behaviors, but by my next on-duty shift, the notes would be deleted from her chart. Every time I made a positive entry about any responsiveness of Terri’s, someone would remove it after my shift ended. Michael always demanded to see her chart as soon as he arrived, and would take it in her room with him. I documented Terri’s rehab potential well, writing whole pages about Terri’s responsiveness, but they would always be deleted by the next time I saw her chart. The reason I wrote so much was that everybody else seemed to be afraid to make positive entries for fear of their jobs, but I felt very strongly that a nurses job was to accurately record everything we see and hear that bears on a patients condition and their family. I upheld the Nurses Practice Act, and if it cost me my job, I was willing to accept that.

9. Throughout my time at Palm Gardens, Michael Schiavo was focused on Terri’s death. Michael would say “When is she going to die?,” “Has she died yet?” and “When is that bitch gonna die?” These statements were common knowledge at Palm Gardens, as he would make them casually in passing, without regard even for who he was talking to, as long as it was a staff member. Other statements which I recall him making include “Can’t you do anything to accelerate her death - won’t she ever die?” When she wouldn’t die, Michael would be furious. Michael was also adamant that the family should not be given information. He made numerous statements such as “Make sure the parents aren’t contacted.” I recorded Michael’s statements word for word in Terri’s chart, but these entries were also deleted after the end of my shift. Standing orders were that the family wasn’t to be contacted, in fact, there was a large sign in the front of her chart that said under no circumstances was her family to be called, call Michael immediately, but I would call them, anyway, because I thought they should know about their daughter.

10. Any time Terri would be sick, like with a UTI or fluid buildup in her lungs, colds, pneumonia, Michael would be visibly excited, thrilled even, hoping that she would die. He would call me, as I was the nurse supervisor on the floor, and ask for every little detail about her temperature, blood pressure, etc., and would call back frequently asking if she was dead yet. He would blurt out “I’m going to be rich!,” and would talk about all the things he would buy when Terri died, which included a new car, a new boat, and going to Europe, among other things.

11. When Michael visited Terri, he always came alone and always had the door closed and locked while he was with Terri. He would typically be there about twenty minutes or so. When he left Terri would would be trembling, crying hysterically, and would be very pale and have cold sweats. It looked to me like Terri was having a hypoglycemic reaction, so I’d check her blood sugar. The glucometer reading would be so low it was below the range where it would register an actual number reading. I would put dextrose in Terri’s mouth to counteract it. This happened about five times on my shift as I recall. Normally Terri’s blood sugar levels were very stable due to the uniformity of her diet through tube feeding. It is my belief that Michael injected Terri with Regular insulin, which is very fast acting.

12. The longer I was employed at Palm Gardens the more concerned I became about patient care, both relating to Terri Schiavo, for the reasons I’ve said, and other patients, too. There was an LPN named Carolyn Adams, known as “Andy” Adams who was a particular concern. An unusual number of patients seemed to die on her shift, but she was completely unconcerned, making statements such as “They are old - let them die.” I couldn’t believe her attitude or the fact that it didn’t seem to attract any attention. She made many comments about Terri being a waste of money, that she should die. She said it was costing Michael a lot of money to keep her alive, and that he complained about it constantly (I heard him complain about it all the time, too.) Both Michael and Adams said that she would be worth more to him if she were dead. I ultimately called the police relative to this situation, and was terminated the next day. Other reasons were cited, but I was convinced it was because of my “rocking the boat.”

13. Ms. Adams was one of the people who did not seem to be intimidated by Michael. In fact, they seemed to be very close, and Adams would do whatever Michael told her. Michael sometimes called Adams at night and spoke at length. I was not able to hear the content of these phone calls, but I knew it was him talking to her because she would tell me afterward and relay orders from him.

14. While at Palm Gardens, I became fearful for my personal safety. This was due to Michael’s constant intimidation, including his menacing body language, vocal tone and mannerisms.

15. I have contacted the Schindler family because I just couldn’t stand by and let Terri die without the truth being known.

FURTHER AFFIANT SAYETH NAUGHT.

CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N.
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