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Does Bush's religious faith inappropriately dictatate policy

 
 
Tartarin
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 02:04 pm
"...The Dems also need to get a Limbaugh, Coutler, and their very own TV News Agency to boot...."

I've felt that way myself, but admit I'm ambivalent. Two wrongs don't make... etc. etc. The last thing I want to have is an even worse world than those guys have already created, and having seen the way they fight (dirty!), I'd imagine most of us would prefer to go back to the civilization we left behind somewhere. The Gordon Gecko attitudes that persisted into the Clinton years (what a paradise those years seem in retrospect, which goes to show how low we've sunk!) are the last thing we want to cling to. Upward and onward. Vote -- early and often!
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BillW
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 02:08 pm
Tartarin, it's a matter of ratings. The Dems are dull, dull dull - without a message. There can be a "Limbaugh, Coutler, and their very own TV News Agency to boot..." without the hate and rancor. James Carville is not the answer - think about it that way!
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Asherman
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 02:11 pm
Tartan,

You didn't sound ambivilent when you said:

(18MAR) "I'd like to say that I'm hoping that this US invasion of a sovereign nation will be a god-awful flop and mess."

(19MAR) "my reason dictates that mush Bush fail in this attack, not fail so that Iraqi citizens are slaughtered or troops put at any more risk than necessary (OBVIOUSLY) but fail so that the US finally wakes up to this horrific, lethal agitprop the administration has indulged itself in. Bush is the murderer guys"

(19MAR) "If I had to sacrifice 1000 American soldiers and I were given a choice between sacrificing them to "prove a point" by invading Iraq, or sacrificing them to remove from power the very dangerous Bush administration (far more dangerous to the world than that of Saddam Hussein), I'd sacrifice American lives for the protection of their own people and the rest of the world against our own administration."

(02APR) "…I mean every word you have quoted above."
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 02:15 pm
Out out damned spot!!
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 03:09 pm
return to topic PLEASE
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BillW
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 03:32 pm
Quote:
Does Bush's religious faith inappropriately dictatate policy.....?


In a word, YES
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 03:41 pm
billw gets a gold star
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 06:33 pm
and a kiss
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 06:37 pm
BillW wrote:
Quote:
Does Bush's religious faith inappropriately dictatate policy.....?


In a word, YES


COMMENT:

And Bush's hypocrisy also does!

(Bill, I'll bet you wish you had thought of that.)
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 06:47 pm
Very good, Frank. You deserve an equal reward.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 06:56 pm
hey!
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 08:09 pm
ok, Dys, you always deserve a star and a kiss........you have the best one liners, I love em........now, what does this have to do with GW and his hypocritical, mettlesome religious beliefs? .......... Just a brief time out. That's all.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 08:14 pm
hypocrite from pharisees "whited sepulchers, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness."
yeah i think thats it.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 08:40 pm
That's it, ok and the end result is a dangerously disastrous combination of ignorance and malice, disguised as well meaning self defense.

Edited once for spelling errors
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BillW
 
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Reply Thu 3 Apr, 2003 01:27 pm
Frank, Yes - then again no right winger has had the gall to use "religious faith inappropriately (to) dictate policy", but; the hypocracy has always been there for all to see.
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trespassers will
 
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Reply Thu 3 Apr, 2003 03:53 pm
blatham wrote:
Snide might feel gratifying to you, but it's not very valuable in discussion. The folks here are making claims, saying "I think.... for these reasons...". Your present strategy is to toss insults, to label the speakers as 'elitist' or some such. It is petty, and lacks forthrightness.

You ought to show the equal courage and make some claims yourself.

Of course you are right. I should step up and call everyone who disagrees with me an imbecile, so I can maintain the standards these others have set.

blatham wrote:
Perhaps you feel the level of religious worship in the White House is just fine. Perhaps you'd even like to see more of it. Perhaps you don't believe church and state ought really to be separate at all. Perhaps you'd rather all presidents were Christian or believers. Whatever it is you do think, we don't know, because you aren't being brave enough to come out and say it.

Bernie, Bernie, Bernie...

I have stated my opinion and feeling repeatedly and under heavy fire from the anti-religious crowd here. You need only read what is there in this discussion to know exactly what I think. Am I really required to regurgitate it every other week in order to avoid being called a coward? That you may not have read it does not mean I have not shared it.

blatham wrote:
Perhaps you are anxious some of us will take your claims or ideas to task. Of course, we will. But if you feel your ideas have merit and are actually defensible, then what damage might be done?

Yeah, that's it. I'm terrified of the intellect arrayed against me. Rolling Eyes

Take your time and read what I have written in this discussion. Then if you have a specific question--something that you think I haven't explained well enough for your tastes, please do ask. But don't sit there and pretend that I lack the courage of my convictions, because that, my friend, is petty--and we all know how you disdain pettiness.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 3 Apr, 2003 04:48 pm
I just have to step in here, having noticed Tres's use of the phrase "anti-religious crowd" and say that in fact that crowd is called the "Anti-Hypocrisy Crowd" and we invite everyone to join us but membership requires 10 days trial period doing actual good deeds if your last name can be found on the front page of the Washington Times.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 3 Apr, 2003 07:10 pm
Tres

If you have made one such claim on this thread, or on any, I have missed it. Sorry. What I have seen is "tell me how it's inappropriate?" questions - which are fine, but quite a different thing.

But aside from that, why descend to snide comments and attacks? Your justification above - essentially, 'others did it first' - is not redeeming.

Perhaps you are a theist, I don't recall you saying. Perhaps you belong to an evangelical church, all I know you've said is that "I've never said." But even if either are true, I don't get the offence caused if someone were to say, as I have, that the evangelical movement is populated by fools and is a deeply dangerous political force. You could say, many have, that atheists are fools and represent a dangerous social force. I am not injured in the least by such a sentence.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Fri 4 Apr, 2003 05:32 pm
It seems strange that the only Christian organization opposing this war is the Roman Catholic Church. Why are Billy Graham, Pat Robertson, and Jerry Falwell supporting this war? Is it OK to kill as long as the ones you are killing are not Christian? We would be outraged to witness the slaughter of this many animals, so why not Iraqi citizens?

My guess is that the reason fundamentalist Christians don't condemn this war is because one of their own, GW Bush, occupies the White House. As we all know, Bush is a compassionate born-again Christian. Many of these so-called Christians, while not coming right out supporting this war, have remained silent.

Their silence is deafening.

(Update: there are a number of Christian organizations who have spoken out--too softly, IMO--against the war, as the following posts show. I sit corrected.--PD)
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Fri 4 Apr, 2003 05:39 pm
The Quakers, the Episcopalians and a number of other denominations have denounced the invasion and if I remember correctly so has the World Council of Churches. I don't think it's because of Bush, PDiddie -- not the main reason. The main reason is that we must prevail over infidels. Osama vs. Osama, so to speak. And some thing it's all a part of the oncoming armageddon, hurrah hurrah.
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