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Pregnancy is a Choice

 
 
livinglava
 
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Thu 11 Oct, 2018 04:13 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

livinglava wrote:
Everyone knows that sex causes pregnancy by the time they are capable of doing it.


given how young children are when they are capable of having sex, there's a decent chance some don't know what the outcome could be

By that logic there is also a decent chance they don't know that the outcome of abortion is murder. Should abortionists really be practicing murder by invading the bodies of underage girls?
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livinglava
 
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Thu 11 Oct, 2018 04:22 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

When the so-called "right to life" crowd have convinced a woman not to have an abortion, and a child is born, where are they for the next eighteen years? How much concern do they show for the cost of care and of raising and educating the child? This says it all for me. They don't give a rat's ass about children, all they care about is controlling people's lives; all they care about is political power.

That's not true. If the left would eliminate minimum wages and red-tape to prevent people from performing manual labor directly to sustain themselves and their families, uneducated poor mothers could simply work in agriculture to feed themselves and their families.

Democrats discourage investment in the poor by requiring large investments in wages, insurance, taxes, fees, permits, etc. etc.

Quote:
To put this in terms that mealy-mouthed christians ought to be able to understand, Matthew Chapter 23, verse 27:

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

If you like that quote, try this one about robbery and self-indulgence just a few verses earlier:
Quote:
25"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside they are full of robbery and self-indulgence.

Setanta
 
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Thu 11 Oct, 2018 09:28 pm
Complete reactionary idiocy--don't forget to recommend slavery.
edgarblythe
 
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Thu 11 Oct, 2018 09:33 pm
@Setanta,
Dogs get slavery when they smell food.
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Setanta
 
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Thu 11 Oct, 2018 09:37 pm
Yeah, you have to watch that, it gets really messy.
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hightor
 
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Fri 12 Oct, 2018 04:31 am
@livinglava,
Quote:
If the left would eliminate minimum wages and red-tape to prevent people from performing manual labor directly to sustain themselves and their families, uneducated poor mothers could simply work in agriculture to feed themselves and their families.

I may have seen something this ridiculous on A2K previously, but if I did I can't recall it. This one takes the cake.
Setanta
 
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Fri 12 Oct, 2018 04:46 am
This is the same member who claims that the re-introduction of slavery would be an opportunity to provide for the poor in a manner which would assure that they got enough to eat and a roof over their heads while giving them the opportunity to make a useful contribution to society.
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livinglava
 
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Fri 12 Oct, 2018 05:18 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
If the left would eliminate minimum wages and red-tape to prevent people from performing manual labor directly to sustain themselves and their families, uneducated poor mothers could simply work in agriculture to feed themselves and their families.

I may have seen something this ridiculous on A2K previously, but if I did I can't recall it. This one takes the cake.

I just don't know what to say further when someone takes something that's so obviously true and denies it. How do poor people throughout the world support themselves except by providing for themselves directly with agricultural labor? That's what humans have been doing since the transition from hunter-gathering to agriculture.
hightor
 
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Fri 12 Oct, 2018 05:38 am
@livinglava,
Quote:
How do poor people throughout the world support themselves except by providing for themselves directly with agricultural labor?

You're talking about subsistence agriculture. Totally inapplicable in a modern society.
livinglava
 
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Fri 12 Oct, 2018 05:47 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
How do poor people throughout the world support themselves except by providing for themselves directly with agricultural labor?

You're talking about subsistence agriculture. Totally inapplicable in a modern society.

You forget that a lot of what we buy in supermarkets is picked and packaged by farm workers, often migrants. Who says that young mothers (and fathers) can't migrate around to various farms and do that work (too)?
edgarblythe
 
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Fri 12 Oct, 2018 05:49 am
@livinglava,
Who says they are planning to?
livinglava
 
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Fri 12 Oct, 2018 05:53 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Who says they are planning to?

There was a post earlier in the thread accusing Republicans of being anti-abortion but not doing anything for families with children. My response was that Democrats discourage investment in job-creation by raising the costs with things like minimum wage, insurance, permits, etc.

I said that if Democrats would allow it, Republicans would allow more direct agriculture as a means for poor people to support themselves and their families.
BillRM
 
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Fri 12 Oct, 2018 06:28 am
@najmelliw,
najmelliw wrote:


Also, the consequences of carrying a child to term are life altering, even if you give it up for adoption once it is born. The same is not true for babysitting.





Even in this day and age carrying a fetus to full term can be life threatening to the mother to be also.
edgarblythe
 
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Fri 12 Oct, 2018 06:34 am
@livinglava,
Yours is the kind of thinking that keeps the poor from rising above starvation level.
BillRM
 
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Fri 12 Oct, 2018 06:44 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Yours is the kind of thinking that keeps the poor from rising above starvation level.


What is even more interesting is that anti abortion laws can only in fact be apply to the poor not those who can buy a airline ticket to a location where an abortion is both legal and safe.

When NY state was the only state in the union where abortions was both legal and safe there was abortions and travel deals being offer while the poor need to either carry an undesire child to full term or risk having an unsafe and illegal abortion.
BillRM
 
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Fri 12 Oct, 2018 06:59 am
To me looking at the issue logically the anti abortion groups an rapists have a lot in common.

Both wish to take the rights of women to control the functions of their reproduction systems away from them with the anti abortion groups wishing to used the color of law instead of a knife at their throats but it still similar thinking to me at least.
livinglava
 
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Sat 13 Oct, 2018 05:29 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Even in this day and age carrying a fetus to full term can be life threatening to the mother to be also.

That is yet another reason to abstain from intercourse unless you are really committed to the risks that come with pregnancy and childbearing.
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livinglava
 
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Sat 13 Oct, 2018 05:36 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Yours is the kind of thinking that keeps the poor from rising above starvation level.

Pope Francis recently compared abortion to hiring a hitman to solve problems.

No one has to kill fetuses or anyone else to rise economically. We just an economy that's sustainable, where everyone can rise without causing detriment to the resource base or others' economic potential.

Unfortunately, there are still modern economic cultural norms that limit the achievability of prosperity for all. If wasteful modern consumerist practices such as driving/sprawl and other industrial excesses were revealed for what they are instead of normalized and ignored as environmental/sustainability threats, then we could reform and abortion and other forms of killing and suicide could subside as part of what maintains modern economic growth.

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livinglava
 
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Sat 13 Oct, 2018 05:37 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

What is even more interesting is that anti abortion laws can only in fact be apply to the poor not those who can buy a airline ticket to a location where an abortion is both legal and safe.

When NY state was the only state in the union where abortions was both legal and safe there was abortions and travel deals being offer while the poor need to either carry an undesire child to full term or risk having an unsafe and illegal abortion.

So what? Pedophiles can also buy plane tickets to parts of the world where they can get away with that, but is that a reason to legalize pedophilia in places where it's prohibited?
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livinglava
 
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Sat 13 Oct, 2018 05:41 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

To me looking at the issue logically the anti abortion groups an rapists have a lot in common.

Both wish to take the rights of women to control the functions of their reproduction systems away from them with the anti abortion groups wishing to used the color of law instead of a knife at their throats but it still similar thinking to me at least.

Most if not all the people who have ever complained to me about abortion have been women. I always assumed they were a minority because the abortion rights movement always claims that anti-abortion is anti-woman, but one day I realized maybe abortion rights just says that because they know that men abuse women for sexual pleasure and so they have to pretend that they are pro-woman while actually protecting abortion in order to facilitate prostitution and pornography, which are traditional cultures for exploiting women for male consumption.
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